Originally posted by Enyalus
When did I say this? No, of course I'm not getting into a feat war with Superman. Based on feats, he takes down the Spectre.
Perhaps if u leave out context in all of those feats (as many are prone to do). If u decide to actually add contet to them however, he is a top tier. End of story.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThey weren't holding back and were trying to put him down. Strange didn't. Quit ignoring the comics. People who ignore the comics are fanboys.
JOBBER POWA!!!!!! And let's face it, they were not trying to kill him or permanently injure him. Maybe Thanos was. But Strange alone should have shut him down easily.And Superman has beaten far greater. Henshaw is not a low showing.
Henshaw isn't a low showing, but Thor in that story was a much greater threat then Henshaw was with his rings. That is the point. Superman has gone down to far less than a power gem, whackjob Thor on the loose.
Thanos will win.
Martian Manhunter would be a non factor since he is bellow his teamates in physical atributes and non of his other tricks would affect Thanos.
By the way Thanos could beat Superman and Orion with telepathy. I know Superman has defences against it but if Gorilla Graodd can affect him Thanos would do it much more easilly
Originally posted by iceman24567
Superman also has resisted high level telepaths before or are we discrediting them?
not at all but since he is not immune and Thanos has high level telepathy I believe he can affect him sooner or later. He would put up a fight until he finds a way to break his mental defenses. Grodd did it. For god's shake, a gorilla.
And Thanos well... is Thanos. I don't say he would beat them at once but could do it after a little time
Originally posted by quanchi112
How? You act as if Superman can oneshot him or something. Who has he beaten in a comic before they knew what hit then? Back up your case.
Superman probably won't oneshot him. All he has to do is hit him once. After that he combos Thanos to ko. A couple of redizzy combos should do the trick.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Actually......WM Thor didn't really do ANYTHING to put him over Superman physically. Because Thanos is equal to DS and has superspeed, right? 🙄Superman, if he wanted to or went all out, walks through everything Thanos does, and at the end, when Thanos is shocked, Superman pummels him into the ground.
Because he's just that damn good. 😐
A few things:
I made a WM Thor w/ PG vs. Superman thread before, and I think it was closed for spite. That's how big the gap is between them for rational comic fans. Even before he had the gem, he was one-shotting planets (something Supes hasn't done), one-shot Drax with the Power Gem, and two-shot him later on. Kicked Surfer's ass and did the same to Beta Ray Bill. With the Power Gem you're already aware of what he did and the teams he dominated.
That alone proves he's above Superman's level physically. When he's in Warrior Madness mode he's ten times his classic strength levels. I have a scan to prove it if you want evidence. (EDIT: I'll actually do that now: )
But, clearly Thor's strength x10 > Superman's strength. And again, Thanos was beating that version of Thor. So, he's not going to be 'combo to ko'd' by Superman or Orion's blows. Plus, he can throw his shields up once he swats away the initial blitz or bullrush.
Secondly: Darkseid kills Thanos in travel speed, no doubt man. But Thanos does have H2H speed. In fact, he's got the DC-style afterimage H2H speed:
So its no mere fantasy that he would indeed be able to react to anyone on this team and knock them away. Or, throw up his tech shields or energy shields before they even reach him (He does this when the Fallen One attempts to blitz him: )
Three: Your notion of Superman doing anything he wants to, because he wants to, is stupid. If it were in a DC comic, I'd buy that explanation. This is a no-PIS neutral environment. We take Superman at Superman levels, not ridiculousness that certain writers in certain issues jack him up to in order to resolve a seemingly impossible plot.
I'll grant you Team might win due to the prep, and them being able to come up with some very nasty shit. But straight up they'd lose quickly.
Originally posted by EnyalusLies. Show me Thor oneshotting planets. Spidey has koed Firelord. Superman can one-shot anyone Thor can since he is stronger. Also know that Supes has a strength feat that is far beyond oneshotting a planet.
A few things:I made a WM Thor w/ PG vs. Superman thread before, and I think it was closed for spite. That's how big the gap is between them for rational comic fans. Even before he had the gem, he was one-shotting planets (something Supes hasn't done), one-shot Drax with the Power Gem, and two-shot him later on. Kicked Surfer's ass and did the same to Beta Ray Bill. With the Power Gem you're already aware of what he did and the teams he dominated.
Superman is more than a billion times stronger than Thor by feats. So even WM Thor/with PG is still physically inferior.
That alone proves he's above Superman's level physically. When he's in Warrior Madness mode he's ten times his classic strength levels. I have a scan to prove it if you want evidence. (EDIT: I'll actually do that now: )
Anyone can be comboed to ko required that the first hit has some jarring affect and that the comboer is fast enough to land another jarring hit before the affect of the previous jarring hit wears off.
So, he's not going to be 'combo to ko'd' by Superman or Orion's blows. Plus, he can throw his shields up once he swats away the initial blitz or bullrush.
Someone moving at mere mach speed will produce the same images. Mach speed is still a statue to Light Speed.
Secondly: Darkseid kills Thanos in travel speed, no doubt man. But Thanos does have H2H speed. In fact, he's got the DC-style afterimage H2H speed:
Fallen One came from a very far away. Thanos had plenty of time to sense him coming. This fight starts very much up close.
So its no mere fantasy that he would indeed be able to react to anyone on this team and knock them away. Or, throw up his tech shields or energy shields before they even reach him (He does this when the Fallen One attempts to blitz him: )
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is more than a billion times stronger than Thor by feats. So even WM Thor/with PG is still physically inferior.
Are we back to this again??? Didn't the argument about this stalemate after like 50 pages of pointless debate??
BTW, BRB blew up a planet in his battle with Stardust (tho I wouldn't call it a one-shot, it WAS more of an after-effect than a hit). BRB = Thor.
Admittedly, Supes has had very impressive lifting/pulling feats but please show scans that would be far more impressive than Thor/BRB's hitting/damage feats. Cuz, you know, in a fight, they don't exactly lift/pull things to prove who wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
Lies. Show me Thor oneshotting planets.
WM Thor one-shots a planet in Thor 468. Well before this at his base, classic levels, he strikes Exitar the Celestial hard enough to 'rock the entire planet' and shatter mountains for miles around. That was in Thor 388. And in Thor 423 its stated that he can one-shot planets.
Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey has koed Firelord.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can one-shot anyone Thor can since he is stronger.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also know that Supes has a strength feat that is far beyond oneshotting a planet.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is more than a billion times stronger than Thor by feats. So even WM Thor/with PG is still physically inferior.
But since you insist on being dense and spouting the same bullshit calculations: Thor's lifted the Midgard Serpent, large enough to wrap itself around the Earth. No matter how much you say "most of it was intangible when Thor did it" won't make it true. And that was an actual lifting feat, involving arm strength. In Thor 400, Hercules and Thor's arm wrestling match generated enough pressure to knock the planet out of orbit. How's that for strength? And if you're thinking about using the Megaddon Wheel feat for Supes, know that Thor has turned the wheels of a multiversal level sentient object in Yggdrasil the World Tree, which exists on all planes of reality at once. The World Tree is sentient and he was pushing against the wheel and the engine's will, while he was dying.
Classic Thor and Superman are comparable in strength. WM Thor w/ Power Gem absolutely shits on Superman's strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyone can be comboed to ko required that the first hit has some jarring affect and that the comboer is fast enough to land another jarring hit before the affect of the previous jarring hit wears off.
Originally posted by h1a8
Someone moving at mere mach speed will produce the same images. Mach speed is still a statue to Light Speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fallen One came from a very far away. Thanos had plenty of time to sense him coming.
How far away does that look to you? 20 ft? 50? And Fallen One has trans-light speed, just like Surfer.
Originally posted by h1a8
This fight starts very much up close.
Read what was typed out to you here. Think about it rationally. And come up with a response worth my time and not filled with fanboy nonsense. If the Team wins, it's going to be due to prep. Not because Superman solos him.
