I've also grew up in a Pentecostal church for most of my life. But I've also seen and heard of miracles in other denominations, catholics, shamans, Muslims, Hindus,and other faith healers.
I've also heard false words of God" . I've seen and heard of people speaking in tongues and most was gibberish, there are even classes that you can take to help you speak in tongues. Some believe that your not saved if you don't speak in tongues, which is not true, so I left that church.
No, I am nothing but a human being! Truth the way our Lord saw it All the instructions of how to live, how to worship, who to worship, even how to eat to remain healthy are written down in The Bible. He covered all bases! He has opened my eyes, and I pray everyones eyes will be opened to the joy of living righteously before our Lord. It is a wonderful alternative to living for worldly things! God Bless!]
Originally posted by vicki horvath
That is your right to believe what you want! I have to have things proven to me for me to beleive, and it has been proven to me! I pray in Jesus' Name that the truth will be revealed to you! Yoy have no idea how much the Love of Jesus Christ enhances Life! Take Care!
I was having a discussion with a Catholic. He don't believe that Catholics worship Mary. They venerate her.
This veneration, however, is regarded as higher than the veneration they offer to their saints.
Catholic authorities distinguished these terms as:
Dulia and Hyperdulia.
These two are lower forms of WORSHIP.
Therefore, it shows that Catholics indeed worship Mary. I don't know why they do. Supplementary doctrines, maybe.
Jury, it's not that simple and you're caught up on semantics.
"These two are lower forms of WORSHIP.
Therefore, it shows that Catholics indeed worship Mary. I don't know why they do. Supplementary doctrines, maybe."
Catholics DO NOT WORSHIP Mary in the sense that you are using that word. The word worship has an ancient history and was used, even in the original language of the bible, in two ways:
I found this good explanation on the web:
"... the word “worship” had a much broader meaning than it does now. In those days, the word meant “to ascribe worthiness, honor, repute, or respect,” whether such honor was given to God or to man. There’s certainly nothing wrong with ascribing worthiness, honor, repute, or respect to Mary, or to any other worthy human.
Examples of this broad usage of the word “worship” can be seen in older translations of the Bible. For example, when an angel, the captain of the host of the Lord, appeared to Joshua, we read, “And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?” (Josh. 5:14, KJV). In the parable of the unmerciful servant, Jesus says, “The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.” (Matt. 18:26, KJV). Obviously, Joshua did not worship the angel in the modern sense of the word, nor did the servant in Jesus’s parable."
The important thing to understand is that what Catholics DO is what is in their hearts and minds. If they tell you they don't worship Mary, they don't worship Mary. In fact, the Church is VERY clear that we should worship none other than God and that to do so is against the teachings of the church.
We do have a strong cultural history that is different from that of Protestants and that is that the history of our faith is such that we have relied on priests, Mary and the saints to communicate our prayers to God. Most Protestant groups, on the other hand, have not relied on Priests or others to intercede but have prayed directly to God. In the modern Church, Catholics are just as likely to pray directly to God as people of other faiths. Regardless, Catholics do not believe that miracles, forgiveness from sins or any other thing that comes from those prayers come from the saints, the priests or Mary but rather that they are from God.
Does that make things more clear?
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Catholics WORSHIP God by Latria.
Cathoics WORSHIP their saints by Dulia.
Catholics WORSHIP Mary by Hyperdulia.
Catholics do not worship Mary and their saints AS God.
But Catholics worship Mary as Queen of Heaven.
Catholic worship the Blessed Virgin by Hyperdulia.
Hyperdulia is a level or degree of WORSHIP reserved for the Blessed Virgin alone.
These facts, from the Catholic authorities themselves, prove that Catholics indeed worship Mary.
This is the Catholic Encyclopedia's full and authoritative information about the word WORSHIP:
The word worship (Saxon weorthscipe, "honour"; from worth, meaning "value", "dignity", "price", and the termination, ship; Lat. cultus) in its most general sense is homage paid to a person or a thing. In this sense we may speak of hero-worship, worship of the emperor, of demons, of the angels, even of relics, and especially of the Cross. This article will deal with Christian worship according to the following definition: homage paid to God, to Jesus Christ, to His saints, to the beings or even to the objects which have a special relation to God.
There are several degrees of this worship:
- If it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
- When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
- As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
In accordance with these principles it will readily be understood that a certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint. There is here no confusion or danger of idolatry, for this worship is subordinate or dependent. The relic of the saint is venerated because of the link which unites it with the person who is adored or venerated; while the statue or picture is regarded as having a conventional relation to a person who has a right to our homage -- as being a symbol which reminds us of that person (see Vacant, Diet de théol. cath., s.v. Adoration, and authors cited in bibliography; also ADORATION; IDOLATRY; IMAGES, DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY).
My question: With respect to this Catholic definition, do Catholics worship Mary? Yes or No.
yeah and Pope Innocens III excommunicated the Norwegian King Sverre and decleard an interdict against the whole country in 1184 and it wasnt lifted until Pope Johannes Paul II visited Norway in 1989....it took them 804 years to lift the interdict 😄😄 no wonder we aint to found of catholicks up here 😉
Originally posted by finti
yeah and Pope Innocens III excommunicated the Norwegian King Sverre and decleard an interdict against the whole country in 1184 and it wasnt lifted until Pope Johannes Paul II visited Norway in 1989....it took them 804 years to lift the interdict 😄😄 no wonder we aint to found of catholicks up here 😉
Cool! Never knew that...
OH DAMN! 804 years of generation has gone to hell....