Well really it is the devil who started it and he did "create" sin because his actions resulted in sin. But now you will say that it is God's fault because he created the devil.
I believe what I believe; you believe what you believe. I respect your opinion but I also see that this isn't going anywhere and Debbiejo is correct; we are off topic.
the devil oposed god for a reason, and the reason is that there was a path thad turned the devil away form god, the path had to come from somewhere. If you believe god created everything then this god is the reason for the different aspects of what everyhting are made up off if this aint to be so this god of yours aint all powerfull at all
There is a saying that Adam and Eve are an allegory..It goes like this:
Adam and Eve were part of the infinite being world with god, but they wanted to know what it would be like to experience the solid world..they eat the apple of knowledge of good and evil, and could no longer be as god was. As time went by they and their decedents forgot that they were more than their physical bodies and to this day people have forgotten what they had and why they are here. They don't even realize that they can use more of their brain then just the 5 percent.
Interesting huh??
Infact, this is more then a saying..A lot of people really believe this.
God wanted people to have a choice in what they are doing and not have things forced upon them- maybe an opportunity was created but the sin itself.
Guns offer an opportunity to break the law- its not the fault of those who created the gun or are selling it- its the fault of the person who uses the gun wrongfully.
Choice is the same thing- it is put in front of us and we have potential to do good or bad. It just so happens that WE screwed up-not God- and thats what I believe.
Eh, i dont know about that adam and eve thing- it is interesting but i think we can use more than five percent of our brains.
look, here's what i think and believe. God was and ever will be. Lucifer was once one of Gods' archangels and he decided to turn against god because he thought he should be greater than god. What he did was create sin by disobeying god and his rule. So since we are immortal and human, we sin every day and it is impossible to not sin. We worship Mary because she was a virgin all her life and lived without sin. She was the first (although mother of our savior) to be accepted into heaven as a human. She was not dead when god took her into heaven.
So you say it is impossible for us humans to live without sin and then you say mary lived her life without sin?
No actually the other man on the cross was the first to be accepted into heaven as a human because Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise.
ok, what i mean is that NOW we don't know the difference between sin and other things. Now i don't hink it matters to as many people. Mary and Jesus were both the only 2 people accepted.
Originally posted by Echuu
Guns offer an opportunity to break the law- its not the fault of those who created the gun or are selling it- its the fault of the person who uses the gun wrongfully.Choice is the same thing- it is put in front of us and we have potential to do good or bad. It just so happens that WE screwed up-not God- and thats what I believe.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Bullshit. If people did not have guns, they would not be able to kill one another with them now would they? The same goes for sin.
Furthermore, it was Eve that brought sin into the world, no Lucifer. You Christians certainly do not know The Bible very well.
If the story of Adam and Eve is to believed then they existed in a world with no knowledge of good and evil, and likewise, no knowledge of the difference between right and wrong. It is unfair for God to punish them for eating from the tree of knowledge because they did not know that disobeying God was wrong or even what wrong was. That is like leaving a three year old alone in a room with a knife and getting upset with him when he cuts himself.
Its not BS it is truth- guns are a weapon a person uses to kill another person.
Notice in headlines they will say so and so kills whoever, not gun kills man- and if there were no guns people will still be killing people--- think about it- we have only had guns for a few hundred years; plenty of people have fallen by the sword before that.
And about satan sinning--- Ezekial 28 verse 16 says otherwise- this is speaking about satan of course.....
Ezekial 28:16
"Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you SINNED. So I drove you out in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones."
Now this didn't affect adam and eve right away obviously but he was the one who tempted them to disobey God, which was a sin also.
Wait a minute, i think i heard that thing about the 3 year posted before; well anyway, adam and eve were adults, not 3 year olds and God specifically told them NOT to eat from that tree.
that is a very good question- I myself am not 100% positive of the reason. But it was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so that must be what it was for.
There was a second tree also, the tree of life; God said you would surely die when you ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so maybe those two are just supposed to be exact oppisites--- the tree of life gives life(duh)and the second one gives death.
Like I said though, I'm not sure of it myself.
Originally posted by Echuu
Its not BS it is truth- guns are a weapon a person uses to kill another person.Notice in headlines they will say so and so kills whoever, not gun kills man- and if there were no guns people will still be killing people--- think about it- we have only had guns for a few hundred years; plenty of people have fallen by the sword before that.
I did not state that without guns, people would not kill one another. What I did state is that if there were no guns, people would not be able to kill one another with guns. Likewise, if God elimminated sin, people would not sin.
Originally posted by Echuu
And about satan sinning--- Ezekial 28 verse 16 says otherwise- this is speaking about satan of course.....Ezekial 28:16
"Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you SINNED. So I drove you out in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones."
Now this didn't affect adam and eve right away obviously but he was the one who tempted them to disobey God, which was a sin also.
Guess what? The story of Adam and Eve eating from the tree of knowledge and bringing sin into the world happens BEFORE Lucifer is cast from heaven. According to The Bible, Adam and Even brought sin into the world, not Lucifer. Hence, the concept of original sin stemming from the transgression of Adam and Even in the garden of Eden.
Originally posted by Echuu
Wait a minute, i think i heard that thing about the 3 year posted before; well anyway, adam and eve were adults, not 3 year olds and God specifically told them NOT to eat from that tree.
Adam and Eve were adults... with no knowledge of the difference between good and evil or right and wrong. Would you leave someone with no concept of right and wrong alone with a dangerous object and expect him to do the right thing eventhough he does not know what the right thing is?
A child should listen to his mother when she tells him not to play in the street; sometimes they are disobedient and get hurt; like adam and eve.
About satan; I know that the first sin for man and their fall resulted in them eating the fruit. I was saying that satan sinned when he tempted them; now of course satan is a spiritual being so his sin would be different compared to adam an eve since they are humans.
But the thing is that we are all off topic and should discuss the real issue which is about Mother Mary so I will refrain from posting anything else having to do with this subject.
Originally posted by Echuu
A child should listen to his mother when she tells him not to play in the street; sometimes they are disobedient and get hurt; like adam and eve.
The child who plays in the street and gets hurt does not get punished for disobeying his mother because he does not know any better. His mother is to blame because she should have not left him unattended.
Originally posted by 09rumss
We worship Mary because she was a virgin all her life and lived without sin. She was the first (although mother of our savior) to be accepted into heaven as a human. She was not dead when god took her into heaven.
Don't Catholics believe that Mary died?
Inconsistency in Catholic doctrines really confuses me. no2
We worship Mary because she was a virgin all her life and lived without sin.hmm now the scripture clearly indicate that Jesus had siblings and the owrds of Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS the using of the word firstborn son indicates that other children(male children) were born by Mary, if not he should have used only born son.
So how could Mary been a virgin all her life?