Originally posted by sbo
Current Rogue could easily incinerate him from a distance.
...Not really. She would not have near the speed to tag him before he closes the distance between them and knocks her out with one shot.
Classic Rogue would most likely take the majority I agree. Greater speed my ass though.
...Not really. She would not have near the speed to tag him before he closes the distance between them and knocks her out with one shot.Classic Rogue would most likely take the majority I agree. Greater speed my ass though.
Current Rogue still has the strength and durability of her classic self, and her flight speed is faster.
Spidey isn't closing the gap...when the gap is sky.
Current Rogue has the strength and durability of his classic self since when? She can only increase her strength by focusing her flame inwards, and her strength doesn't approach Spider-Man levels then, and defenitely not at her classic levels. And even if Rogue gets to flight before Spider-Man closes the gap between them (and I assume that they don't start extremely far) Spider-Man can just, you know, jump and catch her and punch her unconcious. Or throw a web ball at her an take her down that way. Since his webbing is flame-resistant too...
All that sounds very sweet and everything, but it's unlikely and stupid.
Current Rogue has the strength and durability of his classic self since when? She can only increase her strength by focusing her flame inwards, and her strength doesn't approach Spider-Man levels then, and defenitely not at her classic levels.
Not like this is a H2H fight anyways...considering, you know, she can radiate an aura of heat that will crisp Spider-Man into nothing...but Rogue recently duked it out with the Ms.Marvel from a different dimmention.
True, her strength and durability isn't what it was, but it is still above Spider-Man.
And Spider-Man is going to jump reallly high and punch Rogue out? Just imagining that makes me laugh.
God...I love Spiderman to bits but I don't see him winning against Rogue unless he got at least 2 hours prep. The was smart enough to make a mini EMP bomb the size of an IPOD in about an hour or so so I wouldn't dought him when it comes to prep but without it, Spiderman doesn't win.
Unless ( don't know much about Iron Spidey or what he does) Iron Spidey has something that could help him reach her in the sky. Or maybe even the symbiote. I dought that too, but it's his only chance without prep.
If he does get prep, I gove this to him.
Originally posted by What If...
All that sounds very sweet and everything, but it's unlikely and stupid.Not like this is a H2H fight anyways...considering, you know, she can radiate an aura of heat that will crisp Spider-Man into nothing...but Rogue recently duked it out with the Ms.Marvel from a different dimmention.
True, her strength and durability isn't what it was, but it is still above Spider-Man.
And Spider-Man is going to jump reallly high and punch Rogue out? Just imagining that makes me laugh.
You again forget Spider-Man's vastly superior speed edge. Spider-Man is LITERALLY WAY faster then human thought. And like I said, his web is flame-proof. Hence, he could just shield himself with it like he has done dozens of times against Human Torch.
And you...think that Spider-Man can't jump "really high"? That's...uh...basically his trademark. I think I am the one who should be laughing here and all...
Oh yeah, and she will totally burn him to crisp...
If only...if only Spider-Man had some sort of...warning sense that would warn him of incoming attacks...if only Stan Lee had created something that warns him from huge-ass explosions and virtually any attack possible before they happen...
You know, I think I'll mail Marvel with idea of sense like that. I think I will call it Spider-Sense.
Oh, and the alternate Warbird did not use her strenght at all against Rogue...just the energy blasts. That fight shows NOTHING that would put Rogue on Spider-Man's level on durability or strength...
not at all, though to say that he can't do what he did in secret wars, (just run around, getting the drop on a bunch of holding back x-men and causing all sorts of chaos) doesn't seem like it makes much sense either.
though he DID have plenty of pis tohelp him accomplish what he did.. still though, that feat seemed to prove that rogue wasn't up to dealing with the webbing.
He shouldn't really be getting the drop on the world's foremost mutant telepath anyway. The actual webbing up of Rogue isn't really depicted on panel to gauge what happened besides. Her flight speeds, although inconsistent should be sufficient to avoid webs.
I've seen Rogue take out Captain America, Thor, Vision and Wonder Man in a much more believable fashion. Cold day in hell when such a scenario would come to fruition on the forums.
With regard to skill, Classic Rogue did technically have the memories of a an Airforce Pilot/CIA agent in floating around in her head...
Out of curiosity what's the strength level one would require to free themselves from the webbing anyway.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He shouldn't really be getting the drop on the world's foremost mutant telepath anyway.
agreed...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The actual webbing up of Rogue isn't really depicted on panel to gauge what happened besides. Her flight speeds, although inconsistent should be sufficient to avoid webs. .
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've seen Rogue take out Captain America, Thor, Vision and Wonder Man in a much more believable fashion. Cold day in hell when such a scenario would come to fruition on the forums..
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
With regard to skill, Classic Rogue did technically have the memories of a an Airforce Pilot/CIA agent in floating around in her head...
Out of curiosity what's the strength level one would require to free themselves from the webbing anyway.
and hmm it's all dependent on what type of webbing, how much was used, when one begins to pull away from the webs or if they are set...
I'd say on average though if rogue's webbed up she's not getting out.
Originally posted by jinzinDarkcrawler I think stated earlier he's seen her catch bullets out of the air, although I don't recall it. Her travel speed was somewhere in the realms of several hundred mph, and she was always relatively agile in flight. So I don't see why she wouldn't be able to.
agreed...her prostests certainly were.. and I disagree that she can avoid webs a majority of the time.
Originally posted by jinzinShe stated that she used Carol Danvers memories to help her beat Captain America. So they're accessible to her.
technically yes, could she use them to the fullest of her disposal? nah...
At one point in her history if she was knocked out, her other Ms Marvel personality would take over the body. Although I don't know if that's meant to be taken into consideration.
Originally posted by jinzinLet's put it another way then, who is the weakest person strengthwise to break out of Spider-Man's webs?
and hmm it's all dependent on what type of webbing, how much was used, when one begins to pull away from the webs or if they are set...I'd say on average though if rogue's webbed up she's not getting out.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIck. Modern Claremont.
She catched bullets in the modern Claremont era, but well...you know how Claremont writes his characters these days. It's defenitely not Rogue's standard speed.
Regardless unless her classic reflexes were quite retarded, her aerial speed and maneuverability should suffice to evade webs.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Darkcrawler I think stated earlier he's seen her catch bullets out of the air, although I don't recall it. Her travel speed was somewhere in the realms of several hundred mph, and she was always relatively agile in flight. So I don't see why she wouldn't be able to.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She stated that she used Carol Danvers memories to help her beat Captain America. So they're accessible to her.
again I know rogue is skilled, and frankly I think she's probabl learned more from x-men training than she' ever learn from carol's memories, but that doesn't mean she has the fighting prowess to know how to handle spiderman like top tier fighters do..
strip her o her powers and I doubt she'd be able to take 2 or 3 hand ninja. 😐
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Let's put it another way then, who is the weakest person strengthwise to break out of Spider-Man's webs?
If we put it that way, we'd be putting it wrong... unless rogue's hit with the same circumstances and reacts in the exact same fashion with the same speed, it's really irrelivant here.
again she's had her hance to prove herself against his webbin.. she failed.. and he didn't even use that much.
Originally posted by jinzinRegardless unless her classic reflexes were quite retarded, her aerial speed and maneuverability should suffice to evade webs.
Because her perceptions and ability to dodge things has never been her stron point, even though darkcrawlr stated that feat he was reasonable enough to recognize it's not what rogue's capible of doing a majority of he time.. 😬 and frankly she isn't.
And I don't remember her being quite that retarded.
Originally posted by jinzinThat's relatively moot considering I don't see Spider-Man taking a Hand ninja at all without his powers.
and I wouldn't dare dream otherwise, but again she can't use them to their full potential.. for instance in striaght fights with carol, she gets beat up..
if you stripped them oftheir power she'd get beat up..again I know rogue is skilled, and frankly I think she's probabl learned more from x-men training than she' ever learn from carol's memories, but that doesn't mean she has the fighting prowess to know how to handle spiderman like top tier fighters do..
strip her o her powers and I doubt she'd be able to take 2 or 3 hand ninja. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinThe two parts of this section are relatively incongruous. Are you implying that Rogue will be webbed in the exact same way as in Secret Wars, if not then it has no bearing, right?
If we put it that way, we'd be putting it wrong... unless rogue's hit with the same circumstances and reacts in the exact same fashion with the same speed, it's really irrelivant here.again she's had her hance to prove herself against his webbin.. she failed.. and he didn't even use that much.
Her arms weren't webbed. Her legs weren't webbed. Her torso wasn't even properly webbed. She was in a web hammock. And she can fly. And she hung there not actually trying to get out of the webbing and stating it's stronger than steel cable which she can bend and break with ease anyway. 😐
She can lift ~50 tons without much real effort. Which is why I ask what strength one requires to break the webbing.
He also swatted Wolverine in the face and sent him flying, despite Wolverine's other appearances dodging things etc. I take it you don't imagine that was an accurate portrayal of Wolverine, nor that a melee fight between the two would be composed of Spider-Man repeatedly thwacking him in the face too fast for him to react and sending him flying.
Now could someone elaborate on why Captain America is argued as being able to dodge Spider-Man's webs and one-hit KO him with a nerve strike for a stalemate or majority even. While Rogue with superspeed, flight and superstrength, and has received more martial training wouldn't even break even.