Rogue vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Regardless unless her classic reflexes were quite retarded, her aerial speed and maneuverability should suffice to evade webs.

And I don't remember her being quite that retarded.

it should be enought to evade webs lest she gets in close.. in order to beat spiderman, she needs to close the distance.. her speed and maneuverability isn't going to suffice there.. do I need to start plucking examples of spiderman tagging villians, heroes, and jets with webbing?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's relatively moot considering I don't see Spider-Man taking a Hand ninja at all without his powers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Her arms weren't webbed. Her legs weren't webbed. Her torso wasn't even properly webbed. She was in a web hammock. And she can fly. And she hung there not actually trying to get out of the webbing and stating it's stronger than steel cable which she can bend and break with ease anyway. 😐

She can lift ~50 tons without much real effort. Which is why I ask what strength one requires to break the webbing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He also swatted Wolverine in the face and sent him flying, despite Wolverine's other appearances dodging things etc. I take it you don't imagine that was an accurate portrayal of Wolverine, nor that a melee fight between the two would be composed of Spider-Man repeatedly thwacking him in the face too fast for him to react and sending him flying.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Now could someone elaborate on why Captain America is argued as being able to dodge Spider-Man's webs and one-hit KO him with a nerve strike for a stalemate or majority even. While Rogue with superspeed, flight and superstrength wouldn't even break even.

First one I could manage to find from my files about Spider-Man's web strength:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c0b8935c7f.jpg

Also:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4120/feat10fight2equipmentfc9.jpg

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
First one I could manage to find from my files about Spider-Man's web strength:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c0b8935c7f.jpg

Also:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4120/feat10fight2equipmentfc9.jpg

I don't know if I would consider the first example more than hyperbole... "thing for life? puh-lease"

but the second is defnitely impressive.
thumbsup

Originally posted by jinzin
it should be enought to evade webs lest she gets in close.. in order to beat spiderman, she needs to close the distance.. her speed and maneuverability isn't going to suffice there.. do I need to start plucking examples of spiderman tagging villians, heroes, and jets with webbing?

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not moot,
I'm trying to demonstrate that I don't think rogue has the proper skills to hit spiderman, and you need skills to hit spiderman, powers aren't enough... or does his entire career not solidify that enough for you?

Originally posted by jinzin
and as i alluded to before.. it depends on the circumstances..

Originally posted by jinzin
whil it's not an accurate portrayal of a full on engagement between the two characters, I don't infact have issues with that incident, wolverine never encountered spiderman before except for marvel team up annual 1 and they didn't fight there or anything... wolverine was holdng back for spiderman's safety and spiderman basically surprised everyone there.. in context to what happened spiderman dodging wolverine twice and smacking him away isn't outside the realm of either character's representation.

Originally posted by jinzin
i haveno idea, I haven't been making that argument.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
First one I could manage to find from my files about Spider-Man's web strength:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c0b8935c7f.jpg

Also:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4120/feat10fight2equipmentfc9.jpg

The second one says piano string, which basically just means steel wire. Cars don't fly at several hundreds of miles and lift ~50+ tons. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't know if I would consider the first example more than hyperbole... "thing for life? puh-lease"

but the second is defnitely impressive.
thumbsup

Hey, the first one was written by Stan...you know how ol' Stan gets...carried away. 😛

I try to find more scans of the webs holding superhumans, but I probably won't have time to do it tonight

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not really. I'm aware of his numerous dodging. But I'm also aware of Rogue's speed strength and aerial maneuverability over the years.
Street levelers manage to land hits on Spider-Man because of skill, while a moderately skilled flying, lower-mid tier can't land a single one.
And under what circumstances do you envision he webs her up in this fight?
How diplomatic. Yet Rogue "holding back for Spider-Man's safety and Spider-Man surprising everyone there" and being webbed in a hammock is an accurate portrayal of a full on engagement between the two characters?
It has been made however. And it vexes me so. The first one won't show. 😬

The second one says piano string, which basically just means steel wire. Cars don't fly at several hundreds of miles and lift ~50+ tons. 😬

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
It says that single strand is as strong as piano wire...and like you see, Juggernaut doesn't break it until he is REALLY far. The elasticity is actually the reason why the web is so hard to break.

I don't foresee Rogue walking or flying into a giant web net plain as day, besides. 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Now could someone elaborate on why Captain America is argued as being able to dodge Spider-Man's webs and one-hit KO him with a nerve strike for a stalemate or majority even. While Rogue with superspeed, flight and superstrength, and has received more martial training wouldn't even break even.

Touche. I think it should be compulsory for the Mighty Avengers to all take martial arts lessons, lest the New Avengers beat them with ease while Dr Strange sits on the sidelines having tea with Wong.

-2 on the attempted sassiness my dear, you aren't very good at it ❌

If only...if only Spider-Man had some sort of...warning sense that would warn him of incoming attacks...if only Stan Lee had created something that warns him from huge-ass explosions and virtually any attack possible before they happen...

You know, I think I'll mail Marvel with idea of sense like that. I think I will call it Spider-Sense.

Rogue's flame > Torches.

His webbing isn't withstanding a full on blast from Rogue.

And you...think that Spider-Man can't jump "really high"? That's...uh...basically his trademark. I think I am the one who should be laughing here and all...

Oh, and the alternate Warbird did not use her strenght at all against Rogue...just the energy blasts. That fight shows NOTHING that would put Rogue on Spider-Man's level on durability or strength...

ORLY?

Energy blast or not, it shows durability. I've never seen Spider-man take an energy blast POINT BLANK to the face, midair, falling a couple hundred feet?, then get right back up.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel09/Ms-7.jpg

Aww and look, I just noticed, Rogue is fast enough to dodge a speed-blitzing Ms.Marvel
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel09/Ms-8.jpg

Originally posted by What If...
-2 on the attempted sassiness my dear, you aren't very good at it ❌

Ironic, my dear.

Oh yes, my dear, strive to maintain that "sassy, sarcastic, *****!" persona that you long for so dearly.

Someone's projecting. No intention of getting into a boring (if that's what passes for your wit) flamewar with you, in all frankness you're not worth the time.

That's what I thought 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?c0b8935c7f.jpg

Originally posted by What If...
-2 on the attempted sassiness my dear, you aren't very good at it ❌

Thank you, but I am entirely aware of his spider-sense, which is why I suggested Rogue would simply release an "aura" of flames, making it impossible to escape.

Her aura has a range. His Spider-Sense has been documented to be able to warn him multiple seconds before a huge attack appears, enabling him to escape it.

Originally posted by What If...

Rogue's flame > Torches.

hysterical

You DO realize I am talking about HUMAN TORCH, right? 🤨

What feat has Rogue done that makes you believe that he is even remotely close to Human Torch's level?

Originally posted by What If...

His webbing isn't withstanding a full on blast from Rogue.

Suuure it isn't.

Originally posted by What If...

I think someone is forgetting Spider-Man can't jump 500 feet into the air? Honestly, I just don't see how you can seriously, and sincerely say that with a straight face.

I think someone is forgetting that Rogue's flight speed isn't quick enough to get 500 feet in the air before Spider-man catches her.

Originally posted by What If...

ORLY?

Energy blast or not, it shows durability. I've never seen Spider-man take an energy blast POINT BLANK to the face, midair, falling a couple hundred feet?, then get right back up.

You haven't? Wow, I guess I need to post some of Spider-Man's durability feats when I get home.

Originally posted by What If...

Aww and look, I just noticed, Rogue is fast enough to dodge a speed-blitzing Ms.Marvel
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel09/Ms-8.jpg

...so? How does that put her even remotely close to Spider-man's speed level?

Spider-Man dodges LASERS, multiple ones on the same time by computer-directed robots. Stuff that is MILLIONS of times faster then speedblitzing Warbird and Spider-Man does it with ease.

You don't want to start comparing their dodging feats because Rogue will get beaten so bad that it isn't even funny.

Seriously, what is that supposed to show? 🤨

You DO realize I am talking about HUMAN TORCH, right?

What feat has Rogue done that makes you believe that he is even remotely close to Human Torch's level?

You DO realize that I am talking about Rogue, right?

The Rogue that absorbed SUNFIRE?
Check out SUNFIRE feat's sometime thx.

Suuure it isn't.

I think someone is forgetting that Rogue's flight speed isn't quick enough to get 500 feet in the air before Spider-man catches her.

Spider-Man dodges LASERS, multiple ones on the same time by computer-directed robots. Stuff that is MILLIONS of times faster then speedblitzing Warbird and Spider-Man does it with ease.

You don't want to start comparing their dodging feats because Rogue will get beaten so bad that it isn't even funny.

Seriously, what is that supposed to show?

Storm dodges lasers...I guess that means 2damnloud and Rutog are right about everything they said?

..and your right, I would hardly call it a feat, but the way you talk about Rogue's speed I figured she was paralyzed.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

What feat has Rogue done that makes you believe that he is even remotely close to Human Torch's level?

I think someone is forgetting that Rogue's flight speed isn't quick enough to get 500 feet in the air before Spider-man catches her.

You haven't? Wow, I guess I need to post some of Spider-Man's durability feats when I get home.

Obviosly you don't know what Rogue's flight speed is. She can travel at supersonic speeds, when's the last time that spiderman's done that? And if he did catch her, then what? HTH combat is the last thing he should try.

Whatever spiderman's durability feats are, they're not enough to take on someone who can lift 50 tons.

and I know we're supposed to be talking about classic Rogue , but sufire's powers are pretty much equal to human torch's, Plenty hot enough to burn spidey to an unrecognizable crisp before he could move.

Originally posted by sbo
Obviosly you don't know what Rogue's flight speed is. She can travel at supersonic speeds, when's the last time that spiderman's done that? And if he did catch her, then what? HTH combat is the last thing he should try.

Whatever spiderman's durability feats are, they're not enough to take on someone who can lift 50 tons.

and I know we're supposed to be talking about classic Rogue , but sufire's powers are pretty much equal to human torch's, Plenty hot enough to burn spidey to an unrecognizable crisp before he could move.

WHAT?!?!?

🤨

spiderman's toe to toed it with characters like, hulk, rhino, she hulk, thing, roughouse, sandman, thor, abomination, and ironman but he can't hang with a class 50 character?

pffffft...

even current venom is in the 50+ region and spiderman's been kicking his ass all over marvel. 😬

Speaking of characters that have durability super strength and can fly, what about the time Spider-Man pwned Iron Man 2020? He could fly, had greater durability and strength and yet Spider-Man defeated him. I don't think Rouge is skilled enough to take down Spidey.