First off i have to say that this appears to be bad writing because spidey is statistically better than sabretooth in just about every aspect. But that put aside, what does it look like sabretooth is doing in this comic here? To me it looks like hes fighting a battle where the odds are not in his favor yes? So what does he do in the end? He stalls spidey and runs away. Fact still remains that he did no serious damage to spidey except maybe to his ego.
The question at hand is not who is DEFINATELY going to win because there are way too many factors that jsut plain cant be predicted such as how exactly the heros are going to respond to each situation. What were really looking at is baised on statistics, experience and the foes beaten before who is going to win the majority of the time say if we put them in an arena and had them go at it the exact same way 10 times who is going to win 9 times outta 10, and i think most people can agree that itd be spidey.
No, your wrong. Spidey is not statistically better than Sabes in everything. Sabes is a better fighter, better tactician, and probably faster.
Sabes didn't even bother slashing in this story, If anything is crap that is. If it were a Sabertooth book Spidey would be at the very least hospitalized, and this discussion wouldn't even be taking place.
You got facts presented to you right in front of your face, the fact that you don't choose to recognize them does not make you right.
actually we don't know just how strong sabretooth is....he did get a strength upgrade that's for sure....and it's on par with spidey (at the least), that, combined with an adamantium skeleton and a healing factor....and spidey isn't doing crap to creed....
"But that put aside, what does it look like sabretooth is doing in this comic here? To me it looks like hes fighting a battle where the odds are not in his favor yes? So what does he do in the end? He stalls spidey and runs away. Fact still remains that he did no serious damage to spidey except maybe to his ego."
okay lets say you're right...how does this help your argument...sabes still had spidey by the throat in the fight where the odds are stacked against him.....lol
anyways you're not right.....I'm sorry I scanned the pics too small to read the text but basically...sabretooth tells the two to get out of his way, he's trying to find this doctor and really doesn't want to deal with spiderman and punisher....he has spiderman at his mercy and even has his hand raised for the killing blow.....then he DECIDES to chuck spidey at punisher saying that they're both lucky because he has other business to attend to....There you have it....sabes wasn't even trying to cream these two and he humiliated them both...he wasn't running away from the fight he just had something else that he wanted to get done..... this isn't open to interpretation.....it's just what fuc*ing happened.
Originally posted by jinzin
"What is Sabertooth capable of now?"considering his enhancments he'll be more capable than he was even here.
I saw what I've alway's admired about Spidey and it was compassion " Wait punisher ,Don't shoot " When you remove Spideys concern for his enemies well being he's a much more focused and formidable opponent
but Jinzin you seem to be under the impression that he goes all out all the time and just gets beat up cause he sucks. I think you want Spidey to stay concerned and caring in this vs forum but tough luck. His concern is a handicapp and if it's removed from a fight it's removed.
When wolverine uses any means neccesary should I assume that he has his claws sheathed during the entire fight out of concern? That is the equivalent of Spideys holding back, that is how strong he really is. If Wolverine and Spidey switched bodys Wolvy would never stab any one again and Spidey would kill many many villians. 5-10 ton range is nowhere near specific so what's the largest item that he lifted/threw so I can formulate an opinion. I know that if it's less than five tons he falls to the webbing. So stop hatin on Spidey supporters cause I'm not ridin his **** I just know how much he holds back and sometimes it makes me a little sick. He has beaten himself soooo many times with that pulling punches sh*t that you would think he'd have stopped doing it by now but then he'd be known as a villian wouldn't he?
"but Jinzin you seem to be under the impression that he goes all out all the time and just gets beat up cause he sucks. I think you want Spidey to stay concerned and caring in this vs forum but tough luck. His concern is a handicapp and if it's removed from a fight it's removed"
dude do you see sabretooth going for the kill? NO....it goes both ways...I don't knw why you spidey fans think that everytime someone else is fighting spidey THEY are going all out. Sabretooth is smiling the entire fight and spiderman's spiderspeed or spider sense didn't help him one bit when sabes had him by the neck.
"When wolverine uses any means neccesary should I assume that he has his claws sheathed during the entire fight out of concern? That is the equivalent of Spideys holding back, that is how strong he really is. If Wolverine and Spidey switched bodys Wolvy would never stab any one again and Spidey would kill many many villians."
i can't even follow this please reidirate.
spiderman even says that he understands at this point that sabretooth is unreasonable there's no reason to think spidey's holding his punches.
The reason to think Spidey is pulling his punches is because he always does when he's not fighting an opponent that is SUPER durable like the hulk or thor and he knows that they are capable of taking more than he can dish out. I am not assuming that Sabertooth was going for a kill but I KNOW FOR A FACT that Spider-man does not do that ever except after Gwen was killed and even then his killing rage was short lived.
And sorry about that confusing body switchin sh*t. What I was trying to say was that if for whatever reason wolverines brain was switched with Spidey's and vice/versa (peter parkers memories and morals in logan & logans memories and morals in peter) Peter/wolverine would not kill with the claws anymore due to his refusal to take lives. On the other hand Logan/spider-man wouldn't have any webbing( cause only Peter knows how to make it) would probably don a new costume and be far more deadly when it came down to killing enemies. Doc Ock,dead, Vulture,dead,Eddie Brock,dead etc. etc. Peter/wolverine would end up dead or retired early because he wouldn't be able to bring himself to gut anyone or any sentient thing. I'm loving these threads so much simply because here Spidey isn't forced to hold back like he is in the comics.
And just cause you pointed it out why would sabertooth hold back at all against Frank Castle knowing that it's very healthy for a bad guy to kill this guy before he kills them? I thought Sabes enjoyed killing alot. But he didn't look like he was going for the kill truly
okay thanks for clearin that up....yeah i agree with ya there....but logans claws are basically one hit one kill type of situation for wolverine.....spiderman has even claimed to be hitting a regular guy who was big with unpulled punches and it didn't kill the guy....so I think it's a major misconception that spiderman holds back all of his punches all the time against characters at or around peak human levels.......He may not be trying to kill them but who fights like that? it wouldn't be very smart to put everything you have into a commited punch because if you make a mistake you're gonna get clobbered
"And just cause you pointed it out why would sabertooth hold back at all against Frank Castle knowing that it's very healthy for a bad guy to kill this guy before he kills them? I thought Sabes enjoyed killing alot. But he didn't look like he was going for the kill truly"
The writers took sabretooth back to how he was originally written as far as his character traits are concerned....he wasn't getting paid to kill pun and spidey so he let them go..he even says this later on.....like i said before he seemed to be much more converned about going and finding this doctor than fighting the duo....he really didn't even want to waste his time with them.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat "regular" guy are you talking about? I can't believe it.
okay thanks for clearin that up....yeah i agree with ya there....but logans claws are basically one hit one kill type of situation for wolverine.....spiderman has even claimed to be hitting a regular guy who was big with unpulled punches and it didn't kill the guy....so I think it's a major misconception that spiderman holds back all of his punches all the time against characters at or around peak human levels.
No, your wrong. Spidey is not statistically better than Sabes in everything. Sabes is a better fighter, better tactician, and probably faster
First off there you cant say for sure that sabes is a better tactician at all because they both use way too much tact in their style of fighting to just declaire one the unquestioned victor ESPECIALLY without any backup on it at all.
I would have to assume that spidey is faster just though im not positive on that but wither way with the spider sense to warn him of danger in advance spidey clearly is quicker to react.
Im not going to argue on the fact that sabes is a better fighter even though is is completely opinionated to say so. I am only giving him the battle there because he has had more professional training and therefore is more likely than not better.
"my guy looked foolish therefore it must have been bad writing"
okay for the record i HATE spiderman......... a lot.......... hes is not "my guy" at all i just happen to think that he is the better fighter here. The fact is that different writers have different ideas and conceptions of what the characters are capable of and therefore bad writing DOES happen. To say that characters in comic books dont ever do things that they arent capable of would be a lie. I trust statistics baised on the average capability of the hero when i make my judgements not the extreem and sometimes rediculous one time feats, because odds are they will be fighting at their average.