Originally posted by Warmonger
But to answer your question yes intellignece does make a difference. How did holyifeild beat Tyson? He fought smarter and didn't let Tyson get on a roll. Ask any fighter assesing your strentghs and your opponets weakness are one of the basic keys to winning a fight. I mean don't you think it takes intellignece to say "Hey this guy keeps coming back no matter how many bullets I put into his rib cage maybe I should shoot him somewhere else".
No, he beat Tyson because Tyson was no longer the same fighter he used to be. Wolverine has all the "intelligence" necessary for a 1 on 1 street fight with someone like DS.
Originally posted by Warmonger
Logan's healing factor couldn't brush off Mr. X's beating why Slade's? It couldn't stop Guradians either? Didn't so jack when those werewolves were carving him up, didn't help when...
Did you read that comic and the one before? Mr. X was hardly the only thing Wolverine's healing factor had to deal with that night... HARDLY. Wolverine written correctly takes much, much, much worse. As far as guardian is concerned, another fluke but at least in the case of guardian he was traveling at who knows what speed, and he hit him with the weight of his entire body, which was covered in an unbreakable forcefield. Slade can't match that type of impact.
No, he beat Tyson because Tyson was no longer the same fighter he used to be. Wolverine has all the "intelligence" necessary for a 1 on 1 street fight with someone like DS.
If you could just go through how you see the fight go, one sentence at a time and only one sentence per post, and then let me counter it with my own one sentence of how Slade would counter. We might get somewhere.
Want to? Ok, start.
How far apart is this fight starting? Within 30 yards? Then ranged attacks wouldn't matter that much. If you really want to be annoying.....Wolerine's strength and agility are higher that peak human, if you read the Weapon X books, they state that he also got enhancments there too. Also factor in the concept of being hit my a fist full of metal, that deals alot more damage then a similar strengthed, trained opponent. 10% more really isn't that much, satisticly. As for Mr. X, he was a precog fighter.....he knew what someone was going to do in a fight. If you want to know how well Logan thinks in a fight read the internal monolog during the first fight they had. He was stating that he was planing his moves ten steps ahead of time.....and why. Wolvie, knowing how deadly DS is (just by the way he moves) will not give him an opening to nerve damage. If DS tried it would cost him his hand. As for inteligence, yes does DS have it in raw IQ? Yeah.....but Logan's inteligence is compleatly tied to fighting and combat, thats pretty much all he knows. Slade reacts fast but that doesn't determine that he KNOWS what Logan is doing.....Logan just through age would prolly know fighting styles Slade has only heard of. If this fight starts within 20 or 30 yards Wolvie takes it.....if its more than that it will go to DS. If Ds runs in order to keep distance between he and Logan.....then Logan goes stealth.......and DS doesn't stand a chance in hell.
Originally posted by long pig
How would it turn retarded? It's just a simple "act/ counter act" situation.It's basically the only and or best way to figure out something. It's called intelligent debate.
So, why would Wolverine's berserker rage make him too much for Slade?
Because he's going to swing faster and more often, his healing factor is going to jump in efficiency, he's going to react quicker, not feel pain and mainly he's going to become much less predictable. It would be much like cornering a real wolverine. All of a sudden you're going to see a blur of incredibly sharp claws coming at you, each one capable of completely ending you and the person behind them has no concern for himself.. he is completely focused on you and he's willing to take your sword or bullets into himself to reach you. DS will feel terror at the wreckless abandon in his berserker rage and will probably fight worse due to his fear.
Originally posted by XerxesLogan
How far apart is this fight starting? Within 30 yards? Then ranged attacks wouldn't matter that much. If you really want to be annoying.....Wolerine's strength and agility are higher that peak human, if you read the Weapon X books, they state that he also got enhancments there too. Also factor in the concept of being hit my a fist full of metal, that deals alot more damage then a similar strengthed, trained opponent. 10% more really isn't that much, satisticly. As for Mr. X, he was a precog fighter.....he knew what someone was going to do in a fight. If you want to know how well Logan thinks in a fight read the internal monolog during the first fight they had. He was stating that he was planing his moves ten steps ahead of time.....and why. Wolvie, knowing how deadly DS is (just by the way he moves) will not give him an opening to nerve damage. If DS tried it would cost him his hand. As for inteligence, yes does DS have it in raw IQ? Yeah.....but Logan's inteligence is compleatly tied to fighting and combat, thats pretty much all he knows. Slade reacts fast but that doesn't determine that he KNOWS what Logan is doing.....Logan just through age would prolly know fighting styles Slade has only heard of. If this fight starts within 20 or 30 yards Wolvie takes it.....if its more than that it will go to DS. If Ds runs in order to keep distance between he and Logan.....then Logan goes stealth.......and DS doesn't stand a chance in hell.
Wolverine couldn't out stealth Slade. Slade is superior in all senses. Hell, Slade was able to out stealth and stealth his way from SUPERMAN when Superman was tracking him down.
This jus tmy be a lake of personal knowlage but when did Slase lift this type of weight. Sneeking away and hunting are compleatly different dude. Even you got to admit much of it relies on instinct.....something Wolverine has in droves above Slade when dealing with a hunter prey situation. He also prolly prepared for the eventuality of Supes tring to track him.
Originally posted by scotsmn
Because he's going to swing faster and more often, his healing factor is going to jump in efficiency, he's going to react quicker, not feel pain and mainly he's going to become much less predictable. It would be much like cornering a real wolverine. All of a sudden you're going to see a blur of incredibly sharp claws coming at you, each one capable of completely ending you and the person behind them has no concern for himself.. he is completely focused on you and he's willing to take your sword or bullets into himself to reach you. DS will feel terror at the wreckless abandon in his berserker rage and will probably fight worse due to his fear.
Less predictable? Not really. Slade isn't Mr.X, he doesn't rely on telepathy to figure out his opponents next move. If logan has a body, and it moves, Slade will be able to predict it's next course of action.
Nothing Wolverine can do would make him a blur to Slade. Remember, Slade's eyesight is beyond Logans, it's good enough to track lightspeeders.
Who said Slade would use his sword? He wouldn't, he'd blast Wolverine back 20 feet with his 4 0d ton PSI plasma blaster. Which leads Wolverine into being grenaded.
Your fallacy happens when you(and every wolverine fan) assumed EVERYONE wants to fight Wolverine h2h.
Originally posted by XerxesLogan
This jus tmy be a lake of personal knowlage but when did Slase lift this type of weight. Sneeking away and hunting are compleatly different dude. Even you got to admit much of it relies on instinct.....something Wolverine has in droves above Slade when dealing with a hunter prey situation. He also prolly prepared for the eventuality of Supes tring to track him.
Slade is a better stealth user, by far, than logan.
So Slade isn't up for gettin' down like a man eh? I didn't realize he was so much of a kitty. 😉
You're putting way too much stock into Slade's ability to read people. He gets hit, often, so give it up. If he's so able to avoid getting hit there's wouldn't have been that little eye incident would there? The fact that he only has an eye on one side of his face leaves a pretty big blind spot on the other side... disadvantage? pshhyah! All wolverine has to do is scratch his other eye and game over. Wolverine has TWO working eyes, and yeah... his DO heal.
Berserk Wolverine is faster than Slade and more vicious. He's gonna cut Slade.. badly.