T-3 sucked, it was a script filled with worn out zingers no thought went into this crap they took T2 and expanded on that plot just by adding a few more people as targets instead of just conner and his mom dig damn deal, the whole movie was rushed with bad acting, and as far as having arnold in the fourth he'll sadly have to be in the fourth seeing how he is supposed to be the skin mold for the machines, this is the only role arnold can play i mean he is a machine, you ever hear him talk it sounds like hes programmed with no intention of originality oh well im just an ******* who hated T-3 because i was able to look past the eye candy which there wasnt even much of
we have discussed this. I think the best way of saying why t3 wasn't great is talking about how good termiantor movies are. Eveybody like to jump on t3 dislikers.
The biggest problems are?
lack of grit and feelimg of reality and plausability
jack of adult john connor form t2
clare danes
talk to the hand
plot and story
lack of cold in human feel
lack of biehn
tx isn't superior to t-1000 (tough act to follow, mind you)
isnt better than t1
isn't better than t2 (althught most sequels are not better)
music sucked
eliminating the purpose of the term movies
eliminagte the main premsie and drive that fate can be changed (this is good and bad)
It just has something missing, soul..but the action scenes we terminaotr quality, kudo to mostow for that, but that alone. (batheoom and crane scene)
The Terminator (1984)
Reviewed by George Perry
updated 5th March 2001
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Not only is it a landmark in the advancement of special effects, but it is also one of the most effective science fiction films of recent decades. One can add that "The Terminator" established James Cameron's name in Hollywood. (His previous film was "Piranha II: Flying Killers"; his next was "Aliens".)
Opening in a post-apocalypse wasted world where humans have become subordinate to machines, it works on the premise that a time-travelling cyborg sent back to present-day (1984) Los Angeles can, by assassinating the mother of an unborn enemy, reshape the future. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the cyborg and Linda Hamilton his innocent prey, located after he has combed the phone book and eliminated other unfortunate women who bear the same name.
At the same time as the cyborg's trip back in time, Michael Biehn, a human survivor of the nuclear holocaust, makes the same journey with the intention of terminating the terminator before it can do its worst. It becomes a battle against time itself.
Although the sequel has more spectacular computer-generated effects, produced on greatly enhanced budgets, this first film is better-paced and dramatically more satisfying. James Cameron laces the action with ironic jokes, but never lets up on hinting that the terror may strike at any moment. Schwarzengger's lines are few, but he can be heard to say once, and once only: "I'll be back!".
James Cameron laces the action with ironic jokes, but never lets up on hinting that the terror may strike at any moment.
James Cameron laces the action with ironic jokes, but never lets up on hinting that the terror may strike at any moment.
Well, YES I do think edward furlong could have done a better job, thats like lets say for the first men in black it was will smith right? now how about for the sequel they put martin lawrence or chris rock to replace will smith, its stupid isnt it? I mean they're all black guys, noone will notice eh? NOT! I thought the whole idea of the character John connor brings edward furlong to mind, just the way agent J makes you think of will smith. I dont think it was right for them to change it around like that. Linda hamilton and Edward furlong all the way for the terminator series. At least until they die as characters. T2 blew T1 out of the water and I think T3 was below T2 in terms of emotion and acting skills. Not to mention Ed was probably old enough to portray the character due to the T3 timeline. Anyone know the reason for them not recasting Linda and Edward? I think I heard it was because they wanted too much money.
If James cameron didnt want to do it I would have rather Ridley scott.
T3 Good point : Kept the feeling of the terminator series VERY well considering how hollywood screws up franchises these days
T3 Bad point : Not enough emotion and good actors to keep the story believable (and bad character developement for the new introductory characters, i.e. claire danes' character). No james cameron either 🙁
the stunts in t2 were excellent but t2 was far from blowing t1 out of the water. T3 had excellent effects and stunts and so did t2. I cindier t1 and t2 excellent movies and for slightly different reasons in the same way that both the classic mustang and the current 2005 mustang are the best mustangs in exitance. t3 well is less of a mustang in particular but more aof a fast car ingeneral. .....If you thought t2 had emotion, and the right actors and believable story then the same and even more so pertain to t1. I agree witht he argument regarding t3 and you know linda hamilton in t2 did favor linda hamiltion, but not really kyle reese, but adlut john connor favored both john walsh and kyle reese lol. If i were to do t3, i would only chage things a little here a little there and it would be an excellent movie..and these things would be the same for any of t3 crtitics..regarding attention to detail and plot...
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Terminator, The (1984)(Special Edition)(Widescreen)
Not many movies can claim to have changed the face of film, but The Terminator is one of them. Although its title sounds like another D-grade early '80s vigilante flick (The Exterminator), it is a landmark in the science fiction genre, owing more to the thoughtful work of Rod Serling than the fluffy escapism of George Lucas. Its surprising success — nearly $40 million, which was an impressive sum in 1984 — launched the careers of both co-writer/producer Gale Anne Hurd and writer/director James Cameron and transformed Arnold Schwarzengger from an obscure Austrian bodybuilder into Hollywood's most renowned action icon.
Human vs. Cyborg
Not-so-subtly borrowing from the 1966 French film La Jetée (which was later openly adapted into 12 Monkeys), The Terminator tells the tale of Reese (Michael Biehn), a human warrior sent to the present from the year 2029 to protect a young woman named Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) from a hulking cyborg assassin (Schwarzengger). Known only as "the Terminator," the organic, flesh-covered killing machine has been sent back from the future by a group of evil supercomputers to kill Connor, whose as-yet unborn son grows up to be the leader of human resistance against mechanical hegemony.
Ironically, The Terminator itself would be the inspiration for two of the 1990's best science fiction films: its sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day and The Matrix, which also focused on humanity's battle against a race of evil robots. The film's first incarnation on DVD, however, didn't wasn't nearly as noteworthy, being only a bare-bones edition with the original mono audio track and next to no extras.
Special Edition Is Packed with Extras
These initial DVD shortcomings are more than made up for by the new Terminator: Special Edition disc. Jam-packed with extras and remastered sound, it's a must-have for sci-fi fans and students of film. This latter group will be especially thrilled by "Other Voices," a new, nearly hour-long documentary which exhaustively details the long road to making The Terminator. Whether you're after information about production woes (toward the end of production, a near-broke Cameron had to illegally shoot scenes on the street), effects secrets (the close-up on the Terminator's eye was, in fact, a regular camera iris) or trivia tidbits (Hamilton had a broken ankle for a large portion of the shoot), "Other Voices" has it all, and is one of the better making-of documentaries out there.
Not quite as impressive, but still informative, is "The Terminator: A Retrospective," a 1992 mini-documentary made to tie in with the video release of Terminator 2. The featurette consists largely of Cameron and Schwarzenegger reminiscing about shooting Terminator, interspersed with shots from a 1986 interview with Cameron and scenes from the film. While not nearly as illuminating as "Other Voices," it does give you more Arnold, who is largely absent from the longer documentary.
"The Terminator: A Retrospective" also gives you more Cameron, who, for better or worse, declined to do a feature-length commentary for the Terminator: SE disc. The director does share his thoughts about the deleted scenes on an alternate audio track. A collection of about a half-dozen snippets, most of which are under two minutes long, the excised sequences — in combination with Cameron's voice-over — allow the viewer to not only enjoy some lost footage, including a subplot with Paul Winfeld's police lieutenant and more drama between Reese and Sarah, but also understand why the footage was cut.
Those wanting even further insight into The Terminator's genesis will be fascinated by the inclusion of Cameron's original 45-page treatment of the film. Besides educating budding screenwriters, this also shows how much the Terminator changed from its original story — where the Terminator was an anonymous everyman and Reese had a partner — to the final film.
This progression of ideas can also be seen in the DVD's expansive stills gallery. Unlike many other so-called galleries that merely offer still shots from the final film, the Terminator: SE disc features Cameron's own impressive concept sketches and paintings, production photos, makeup wizard Stan Winston's artwork, effects company Fantasy II's schematics and models, and publicity materials. All in all, the gallery offers over 100 glimpses of the work and ideas of the filmmakers. Other extras include: two TV spots, three trailers, and script-to-screen visuals for DVD-ROM users, all linked together by snazzy menu graphics which show the inside of Cyberdyne System's Terminator factory.
Tech-heads looking to show off their new Surround system will be thrilled by the disc's retooled audio. The Dolby 5.1 EX Surround mix is available in English, French, and Spanish, and its dynamic use of the rear and side channels will have listeners saying "wow!" in any language. However, the same can't be said for the remastered video. Although the box says it came from a new high-definition transfer (and it is far and away superior to the first Terminator DVD), some splotches and scratches are still clearly visible, particularly during the electrical storms generated by Reese and the Terminator's time travel. For all the effort that went into this otherwise flawless DVD, it seems MGM skimped on the digital image restoration. This oversight will leave you with a slightly sour taste after enjoying The Terminator: Special Edition's audio-visual feast.
— TOR THORSEN
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Well, YES I do think edward furlong could have done a better job, thats like lets say for the first men in black it was will smith right? now how about for the sequel they put martin lawrence or chris rock to replace will smith, its stupid isnt it? I mean they're all black guys, noone will notice eh? NOT! I thought the whole idea of the character John connor brings edward furlong to mind, just the way agent J makes you think of will smith. I dont think it was right for them to change it around like that. Linda hamilton and Edward furlong all the way for the terminator series. At least until they die as characters. T2 blew T1 out of the water and I think T3 was below T2 in terms of emotion and acting skills. Not to mention Ed was probably old enough to portray the character due to the T3 timeline. Anyone know the reason for them not recasting Linda and Edward? I think I heard it was because they wanted too much money.
If James cameron didnt want to do it I would have rather Ridley scott.T3 Good point : Kept the feeling of the terminator series VERY well considering how hollywood screws up franchises these days
T3 Bad point : Not enough emotion and good actors to keep the story believable (and bad character developement for the new introductory characters, i.e. claire danes' character). No james cameron either 🙁
like i and others have stated before no one knows wether or not cameron wud have done a better job w/ t3 than mostow. its likly if he did t3 wudnt hav had such key parts like the nuclear war at the end, the fact that arnold told jon he kills him in the future, or even the crane chase scene. as far as the tx goes she was a good character and hot but wasnt more advanced that the t1000.
as far as good poins go i disagree w/ u t3 biggest error was that it lacked the terminator feel. i also think at had a lot of emotion.
as for as edward furlong goes. i dont think he cud hav play jon conner better than stahl. furlong wasnt capable of doin t3 cuz of his bad habbits. wen u said will smith cudnt b played by n e 1 else thats true but last time we saw conner he was a 13yr old kid w/ a squeky voice now he is 23 and matured a lot. furlong is still about 5'3 and about a buck 40
i think stahl had the jon conner lock that weve seen in clips of the future