Darth Maul(1 saber) vs. ESB Luke

Look, Nebaris, if you are going to continue to sock, I suggest you do not blindly assume things, and quit being so rude. Assume things such as that because it wasn't in the novel "word for word", that it is not mentioned anywhere else.

All you saw was that? Well, I see the script:

"When the wall between QUI-GON and DARTH MAUL opens, QUI-GON is in a split second fighting the DARK LORD with a ferocity not seen before."

In addition, that line of the script corresponds with the novel's when referencing "ferocity", as it does state "he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied", so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the script in this case.

Script ain't canon, that destroys your argument.

And me lie? Yes, Nebaris, because my credibility has ever been contested. Puh-leaze. There's really no need to humor me at this point.

I will make mention though, that we all know your credibility has been shot to shit, as you've lied about, or rather, misrepresented Crado's power/status (in the Ultimate Survival thread), lied about your identity, and continue to do such when asked if you're a sock. And the sock ordeal has been ongoing; about six times now? Seven even?

If I recall, aren't you supposedly:

1. Count Kent (I know you were; and as Kent, you lied numerous times, making up sources).
2. l0rd?.
3. Blax XXX.
4. Kas'im.
5. Dessel.
6. The Planet.
7. *DoucheFace (seriously; same location, same setup, joined after you were last banned - may be coincidence).
8. Crado.

Nice, long list of socks; although, I may be missing one. But hey, on the bright side of things, you can contend with Numan for number of socks on the SWVF.

😆 😆 😆 😆

Spoiler:
You forgot Tek888! 🥷

But on a serious note, I'm not Nebaris, so unless you can prove that, please don't attack my credibility by posting what other members have said. 🙂

Originally posted by The Planet
Script ain't canon, that destroys your argument.

Script ain't canon? Pee Are Oh Vee Eee Eye Tee.

"Gospel, or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations."

In any case, where does it make mention that the script isn't canon? Especially considering that line from the script corresponded to the novel's, while I'd admit there's obviously an inconsistency or two (as with all scripts, could be taken out last moment - actions, really, not words), it's - for the majority - on point, and because it made its way to the novel, we can assume correct for that line.

And even so, Qui-Gon was fighting with a "ferocity not seen before" if he had Darth Maul "stymied" (in this context, frustrated/confused/and preventing him from killing him by means of the aforementioned), in the sense that he had never done that before, and thusly was never seen by either of the two people present, etc. (Obi-Wan, Darth Maul, even viewers).

But on a serious note, I'm not Nebaris,

Serious note?

King Adas wrote on Oct 7th, 2006 12:06 PM:
I'm not Nebaris. Who's Nebaris?

Oh, how I've heard those words a countless number of times.

Let see, quite a few times you've made a sock - I've called you out either via PM, or outright in a thread (recall, I called you Count Kent in a debate because you called me "Mokoto"😉. Usually responded with "Huh? Who's that?", or "I have no idea what you're talking about".

Likewise, people have called you Nebaris when using the Crado name (among others), in which you've denied your true identity. So, please, that ridiculous line of "I'm not Nebaris" is far from trustworthy.

so unless you can prove that, please don't attack my credibility by posting what other members have said.

Except it's not what "other members have said", it's what you have said. You are Nebaris, and you make it all too obvious. You even used the "Unlucky" line at the end of one post, another Nebaris trait (among numerous other things, such as the setup, ridiculous attitude, and join date - which gives further suspicion).

Originally posted by Advent
Script ain't canon? Pee Are Oh Vee Eee Eye Tee.

"Gospel, or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations."

In any case, where does it make mention that the script isn't canon? Especially considering that line from the script corresponded to the novel's, while I'd admit there's obviously an inconsistency or two (as with all scripts, could be taken out last moment - actions, really, not words), it's - for the majority - on point,

Refer to the [bold].

and because it made its way to the novel, we can assume correct for that line.

lmfao. The word 'ferocity' made its way to the novel, not the whole fecking sentence.

And even so, Qui-Gon was fighting with a "ferocity not seen before" if he had Darth Maul "stymied" (in this context, frustrated/confused/and preventing him from killing him by means of the aforementioned), in the sense that he had never done that before, and thusly was never seen by either of the two people present, etc. (Obi-Wan, Darth Maul, even viewers).

This is all nice speculation, but that is all it is, speculation. Qui-Gon was past his prime by TPM, he was physically aging, and that's why that sentence doesn't make sense.

Oh, how I've heard those words a countless number of times.

Wow, I didn't realise the words 'I'm not' were exclusive to Nebaris.

Let see, quite a few times you've made a sock - I've called you out either via PM, or outright in a thread (recall, I called you Count Kent in a debate because you called me "Mokoto"😉. Usually responded with "Huh? Who's that?", or "I have no idea what you're talking about".

Likewise, people have called you Nebaris when using the Crado name (among others), in which you've denied your true identity. So, please, that ridiculous line of "I'm not Nebaris" is far from trustworthy.

Except it's not what "other members have said", it's what you have said. You are Nebaris, and you make it all too obvious. You even used the "Unlucky" line at the end of one post, another Nebaris trait (among numerous other things, such as the setup, ridiculous attitude, and join date - which gives further suspicion).

This is really fascinating, I have to say, but quite frankly, you're boring me now.
So unlucky.

Originally posted by The Planet
Refer to the [BEE].

Scripts are still canon, as noted by policy. Novelizations also have inconsistencies (several actually), and they thus "non canon"?

The answer: No, they are considered canonical, the inconsistencies are non-canon. I see no inconsistence in this instance.

lmfao. The word 'ferocity' made its way to the novel, not the whole fecking sentence.

You don't even understand what I am trying to relate to you? The word, and intensity written of his fighting at that point corresponds to what the script has written.

Does it have to be "word for word" for you to accept what I am saying? Of course, knowing Nebaris, I'll expect "Yes". Inferences, pal.

This is all nice speculation, but that is all it is, speculation. Qui-Gon was past his prime by TPM, he was physically aging, and that's why that sentence doesn't make sense.

How does that it make "no sense" just because he was "past his prime" in TPM? All it is implying is the intensity fought with was greater than before. If you go by means of that Qui-Gon has a) never faced a Sith Lord, or has not been shown to fight a threat this extreme, b) Darth Maul is more skilled, and c) he was fighting for his life, then I fail to see how what you say is all that relevant (in the sense you use it, it seems to mean that it's the sole reason behind your argument).

Why would one not fight intensely or even savagely against one who is your true foe? And given that he's also never faced a Sith Lord before, I'd say the sentence does indeed make sense. And obviously in your eyes, it doesn't make sense, but then again - you have a blindfold on.

Wow, I didn't realise the words 'I'm not' were exclusive to Nebaris.

And I didn't realize that I said they were. What I said was that "I've heard these words before" from Nebaris, and being that I have a strong suspicion you are Nebaris (as others noted, too), your words aren't very credible concerning to that matter.

This is really fascinating, I have to say, but quite frankly, you're boring me now. So unlucky.

And? I am not here to entertain you.

(Hint: If you didn't already know, it's the other way around, so please get back to work, son.)

Scripts are still canon, as noted by policy. Novelizations also have inconsistencies (several actually), and they thus "non canon"?

The answer: No, they are considered canonical, the inconsistencies are non-canon. I see no inconsistence in this instance.

Yaya, my test worked. That post took pretty long Advent, I'd say you're losing your touch. But in response, the novels aren't canon either, because of the very same reason.

You don't even understand what I am trying to relate to you? The word, and intensity written of his fighting at that point corresponds to what the script has written.

Does it have to be "word for word" for you to accept what I am saying? Of course, knowing Nebaris, I'll expect "Yes". Inferences, pal.

I understand perfectly, pal.

How does that it make "no sense" just because he was "past his prime" in TPM? All it is implying is the intensity fought with was greater than before. If you go by means of that Qui-Gon has a) never faced a Sith Lord, or has not been shown to fight a threat this extreme, b) Darth Maul is more skilled, and c) he was fighting for his life, then I fail to see how what you say is all that relevant (in the sense you use it, it seems to mean that it's the sole reason behind your argument).Why would one not fight intensely or even savagely against one who is your true foe? And given that he's also never faced a Sith Lord before, I'd say the sentence does indeed make sense.

Xanatos, much?

And obviously in your eyes, it doesn't make sense, but then again - you have a blindfold on.

lolz, the eyesight jab, I was waiting for that.

And I didn't realize that I said they were. What I said was that "I've heard these words before" from Nebaris, and being that I have a strong suspicion you are Nebaris (as others noted, too), your words aren't very credible concerning to that matter.

Go over this again Advent, you made a mistake with the wording.

And? I am not here to entertain you.
(Hint: If you didn't already know, it's the other way around, so please get back to work, son.)

Well it's a good thing that you're not, because you ain't doing a very good job of it.
(Hint: BURN!!)

Xanatos a sith lord, or as extreme as Maul? No........

Originally posted by kamikz
Xanatos a sith lord, or as extreme as Maul? No........

You're missing the point here and not seeing the big picture. Advent's argument is that Jinn would never have had any real reason to fight to his best like he did with Maul. Except, there was Xanatos.

Originally posted by The Planet
Yaya, my test worked. That post took pretty long Advent, I'd say you're losing your touch.

I beg your pardon?

So, because I took 20 or so minutes to respond, I'm "losing my touch"? I am no pizza delivery service, son. You get what I give at my leisure.

Furthermore, another strike on the list for Nebaris-esque attitude. And, to note, before I type I generally like to review what I wrote, so as it doesn't look like what you dish out, which is: shit.

But in response, the novels aren't canon either, because of the very same reason.

Puh-leaze, Captain Planet. Novels are canon. Leland Chee states as much:

""...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television. As I've mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt on a case-by-case.

This has been our general approach to continuity since we began using the Holocron database to track it."

-- Leland Chee, Holocron Continuity database, January 24, 2004

Can we say "uninformed"? Or rather, blatently bullshitting, because you already knew that they were acknowledged to fit into continuity.

Xanatos, much?

And since when was Xanatos ever a more formidable opponent than Darth Maul? When has Xanatos ever been dubbed a Sith? Oh? He's not? He just fell to the Dark side, you say?

Sith Lord that one is not, failure he is. More skilled Darth Maul than Qui-Gon is, Xanatos is not. And all is lost.

Translated: What does Xanatos have to do with what I typed? Where has he been stated or shown to be more powerful than Qui-Gon (if I recall, he killed himself instead of being captured)? Plus, he's not the polar opposite of what Darth Maul represents, and so on and so forth. He was also Jinn's former padawan, so I'd say that'd hardly generate the same amount of intensity in terms of pure fighting as it did when he battled Darth Maul (the extremities, at least, Qui-Gon notes that Darth Maul is what a Jedi Master should be like in terms of dedication, or something to that effect).

Elaborate, as making a feeble minded comment such as "Xanatos, much?" hardly qualifies for an adequate rebuttal.

Go over this again Advent, you made a mistake with the wording.

For simpletons: Your. word. isn't. reliable.

Well it's a good thing that you're not, because you ain't doing a very good job of it. (Hint: BURN!!)

No.

You're missing the point here and not seeing the big picture. Advent's argument is that Jinn would never have had any real reason to fight to his best like he did with Maul. Except, there was Xanatos.

And all you say is "Xanatos". What of him?

I beg your pardon?

[bee], [bold], [edited by the planet] - those are your clues, try to link them up, pal.

So, because I took 20 or so minutes to respond, I'm "losing my touch"?

Spoiler:
YES

I am no pizza delivery service, son. You get what I give at my leisure.

Furthermore, another strike on the list for Nebaris-esque attitude. And, to note, before I type I generally like to review what I wrote, so as it doesn't look like what you dish out, which is: shit.

Excuses...

Puh-leaze, Captain Planet. Novels are canon. Leland Chee states as much:

""...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television. As I've mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt on a case-by-case.

This has been our general approach to continuity since we began using the Holocron database to track it."

-- Leland Chee, Holocron Continuity database, January 24, 2004

Can we say "uninformed"? Or rather, blatently bullshitting, because you already knew that they were acknowledged to fit into continuity.

LC is referring to novels in general, not the novels which contradict the highest form of canon in Star Wars.

And since when was Xanatos ever a more formidable opponent than Darth Maul? When has Xanatos ever been dubbed a Sith? Oh? He's not? He just fell to the Dark side, you say?

Sith Lord that one is not, failure he is. More skilled Darth Maul than Qui-Gon is, Xanatos is not. And all is lost.

Translated: What does Xanatos have to do with what I typed? Where has he been stated or shown to be more powerful than Qui-Gon (if I recall, he killed himself instead of being captured)? Plus, he's not the polar opposite of what Darth Maul represents, and so on and so forth. He was also Jinn's former padawan, so I'd say that'd hardly generate the same amount of intensity in terms of pure fighting as it did when he battled Darth Maul (the extremities, at least, Qui-Gon notes that Darth Maul is what a Jedi Master should be like in terms of dedication, or something to that effect).

You (as well as Kamikz) miss the point. You were implying that Qui-Gon would have never had reason to fight like he did against Darth Maul prior to TPM, and that's BS. Xanatos was a huge threat, he had caused lots of damage to the jedi and society, he was responsible for the death of a padawan at the temple, he had almost been successful in assassinating Yoda, and Qui-Gon knew that he must be stopped. In fact, by going easy on Xanatos, he would have been putting the life of Obi-Wan in jeopardy. Qui-Gon wasn't holding back any more than he was against Darth Maul, he was fighting as best he could, and this was in his physical prime. In TPM, he was getting old, slow, unfit.

In fact, from Jedi Apprentice 8: The Day of Reckoning, I seem to recall a 'He hit Xanatos in midair. Their bodies connected like mountains of hard rock. There was no give to Xanatos' muscles, no yielding in Qui-Gon. The clash was titanic.' - CH17. Seems pretty ferocious to me.

But this really doesn't matter anyway as 'fighting with a ferocity not seen before' is retconned.

Elaborate, as making a feeble minded comment such as "Xanatos, much?" hardly qualifies for an adequate rebuttal.

This is a strike against you, not me. It's not my fault you're uninformed, as a SW fan, you're expected to know stuff.

For simpletons: Your. word. isn't. reliable.

No.

No.

👆

And all you say is "Xanatos". What of him?

Read Jedi Apprentice.

Originally posted by The Planet
[bee], [bold], [edited by the planet] - those are your clues, try to link them up, pal.

Oh Lord, now we have some kind of moron who thinks patronizing my intelligence will help his argument. Hey, Nebaris, what do any of those "clues" have to do with me taking long to post? As that was why I typed "I beg your pardon?", you dolt.

But just to answer for you: they have nothing to do with it. I responded to what you typed. So, how about you get a clue?

Then again, that's just wishful thinking.

Spoiler:
YES

Then you truly are the epitome of

Spoiler:
idiocy

If I take an hour or a day to respond, it doesn't mean it's affecting my debating in any way. Your implication of "if you take long to post, you must be dropping the ball" is sheer ludicrous. I'm no different from when I first started tearing shit up to now.

Excuses...

No, not at all. If your minuscule brain was able to comprehend that there are no set deadlines for when I must respond, then you'd realize I can take as long as I please. I'm not here to rush an argument, it's just Star Wars. So, please, quit acting like a jackass. By now, Nebaris, you should've learned it gets you nowhere (except banned, as you already have been six or so times).

LC is referring to novels in general, not the novels which contradict the highest form of canon in Star Wars.

"LC"? What are you, his best buddy now?

The novelizations of the film are canon. Accept it, your chum Leland Chee even notes further along in that same post that "contradictions are dealt with on a case-by-case basis".

And to further reinforce the fact through your thick, durasteel cranium:

"Q: Are novelisations of the films considered G-level or C-level material?

A: In a nutshell, anything created by the author would be C-level. Anything in the the novels created by George Lucas (whether it comes from unpublished early script versions, unpublished author interviews with George, or George's revisions to the novelization manuscript) would be G-level unless contradicted by the films."

-- Leland Chee, Holocron continuity database, Jan. 26, 2004.

"The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies."

-- Steve Sansweet and Chris Cerasi, "Ask the Jedi Council", 2001.

Novelizations of the film are canon, which seems opposite to your implication and assertions that they aren't. So unlucky! You'll have to excuse me: 😆

You (as well as Kamikz) miss the point.

No, not really. You're just assuming that, among everything else, Ig.

You were implying that Qui-Gon would have never had reason to fight like he did against Darth Maul prior to TPM, and that's BS.

No, not really. You're just assuming that, among everything else, Ig.

Xanatos was a huge threat, he had caused lots of damage to the jedi and society, he was responsible for the death of a padawan at the temple,

Oh, god. Someone stop the press. The man killed a padawan!

he had almost been successful in assassinating Yoda, and Qui-Gon knew that he must be stopped. In fact, by going easy on Xanatos, he would have been putting the life of Obi-Wan in jeopardy. Qui-Gon wasn't holding back any more than he was against Darth Maul, he was fighting as best he could, and this was in his physical prime. In TPM, he was getting old, slow, unfit.

And you fail to realize the entire point, Ig. He wouldn't have to fight as intensely against an opponent who is weaker than himself, or rather, not stronger than. Yes, he'd be fighting hard as they are close, but no cigar as the old saying goes. You put more effort into fighting an opponent who is far stronger than yourself. As much is obvious.

He'd have to block harder, swing faster, and dodge quicker against an opponent of Darth Maul's caliber. Darth Maul is physically stronger than Xanatos, faster than Xanatos, and more skilled than Xanatos. All qualities which are inclusive of leading one to fight harder, because you need to break their defense.

And I never said he was going "easy", I was just implying that he'd actually know some of Xanatos' movements as he trained him, contrary to Darth Maul. Who was also a double bladed lightsaber user, something I don't recall Qui-Gon ever fighting against (again, it goes with falls into something unfamiliar to what Jinn is used to, hence he must be at his peak in terms of "game"😉.

In fact, from Jedi Apprentice 8: The Day of Reckoning, I seem to recall a 'He hit Xanatos in midair. Their bodies connected like mountains of hard rock. There was no give to Xanatos' muscles, no yielding in Qui-Gon. The clash was titanic.' - CH17. Seems pretty ferocious to me.

All good and well. It seems like an ardent battle to me, too. But, hey, I can do the same thing:

"Qui-Gon, surprised by the other's quickness and ferocity, barely blocked the blow with his own weapon, the blades sliding apart with a harsh rasp. The attacker spun away in a whirl of dark clothing, then attacked anew, lightsaber slashing at his intended prey, face alight with a killing frenzy that promised no quarter.

The Jedi Master and his adversary filled the viewscreen commanding the rampway entrance, faces tight with determination and streaked with sweat.

He breathed deeply, waiting for his pounding heart to quiet. He had barely escaped with his life, and the thought was worrisome. His opponent was strong and had tested him severely."

And that was only when Darth Maul was testing him. Very intense for such a short battle. Later on, it's obvious vigor would grow as the thought of a Sith Lord had become about, and Darth Maul more than likely wasn't holding back on Naboo (or to the degree he was). Still, you seem to think that you can determine a definite answer on how Qui-Gon's intensity against Xanatos was in comparison to against Darth Maul. There's not a good chance on that, as I already know Darth Maul > Xanatos. But, do tell some more, is Xanatos even as powerful as Qui-Gon? I don't recall him being as good, but I do recall him - instead of surrendering to Qui-Gon - killing himself.

But this really doesn't matter anyway as 'fighting with a ferocity not seen before' is retconned.

My Buddha, are you really this dense? Nothing has been noted to retcon it, you are just assuming so because you think everything you say is gospel.

And for future reference: it's not.

This is a strike against you, not me. It's not my fault you're uninformed, as a SW fan, you're expected to know stuff.

A strike against me? I'm sorry, but anyone who considers themselves an able debater doesn't make short, asinine comments as you do.

"Xanatos, much"? How elaborate! Why don't you put what Xanatos did into context, how it applies, and the like? I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous on your part to tell me I'm "expected to know stuff". And uninformed? Right.

I think someone (you) needs to go back to the hole of which they crawled out of, as spewing this type of senselessness isn't kosher.

Oh Lord, now we have some kind of moron who thinks patronizing my intelligence will help his argument. Hey, Nebaris, what do any of those "clues" have to do with me taking long to post? As that was why I typed "I beg your pardon?", you dolt.

But just to answer for you: they have nothing to do with it. I responded to what you typed. So, how about you get a clue?

Then again, that's just wishful thinking.

Still don't get it? Wow...

Then you truly are the epitome of [SPOILER - highlight to read]: idiocy.

Spoiler:
I know you are but what am I?

If I take an hour or a day to respond, it doesn't mean it's affecting my debating in any way.

Oh really? Care to back that up with some proof? Prove it,

Spoiler:
I dare you!

Your implication of "if you take long to post, you must be dropping the ball" is sheer ludicrous. I'm no different from when I first started tearing shit up to now.

But it loses you man points.

No, not at all. If your minuscule brain was able to comprehend that there are no set deadlines for when I must respond, then you'd realize I can take as long as I please. I'm not here to rush an argument, it's just Star Wars. So, please, quit acting like a jackass. By now, Nebaris, you should've learned it gets you nowhere (except banned, as you already have been six or so times).

Your debating the Planet bizatch, quicktime starts now.

"LC"? What are you, his best buddy now?

We exchange love letters.

The novelizations of the film are canon. Accept it, your chum Leland Chee even notes further along in that same post that "contradictions are dealt with on a case-by-case basis".

And to further reinforce the fact through your thick, durasteel cranium:

"Q: Are novelisations of the films considered G-level or C-level material?

A: In a nutshell, anything created by the author would be C-level. Anything in the the novels created by George Lucas (whether it comes from unpublished early script versions, unpublished author interviews with George, or George's revisions to the novelization manuscript) would be G-level unless contradicted by the films."

-- Leland Chee, Holocron continuity database, Jan. 26, 2004.

"The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies."

-- Steve Sansweet and Chris Cerasi, "Ask the Jedi Council", 2001.

Novelizations of the film are canon, which seems opposite to your implication and assertions that they aren't. So unlucky! You'll have to excuse me:

The movie novelisations were based on an early draft of the script, and contradict the highest form of canon on multiple occasions. They're not canon.

No, not really. You're just assuming that, among everything else, Ig. No, not really. You're just assuming that, among everything else, Ig.

Making up words now, are we? What the hell is an Ig?

Oh, god. Someone stop the press. The man killed a padawan!

Hold up, you don't think murder is that big a deal? OK...

And you fail to realize the entire point, Ig. He wouldn't have to fight as intensely against an opponent who is weaker than himself, or rather, not stronger than. Yes, he'd be fighting hard as they are close, but no cigar as the old saying goes. You put more effort into fighting an opponent who is far stronger than yourself. As much is obvious.

As long as he fights to the best of his ability, it really doesn't matter how skilled his opponent is, the fact that Darth Maul is more powerful than Xanatos doesn't mean that Qui-Gon would have to try harder. This would only be true if he wasn't fighting as hard against Xanatos as he was against Maul because he didn't need to, the point is, he was putting in 100% effort against both opponents.

He'd have to block harder, swing faster, and dodge quicker against an opponent of Darth Maul's caliber. Darth Maul is physically stronger than Xanatos, faster than Xanatos, and more skilled than Xanatos. All qualities which are inclusive of leading one to fight harder, because you need to break their defense.

Ad, you're missing the point, and looking at this in a very simple manner. Qui-Gon was fighting to the best of his ability against both opponents, just because Darth Maul was more powerful than Xanatos, it wouldn't mean that he would have to increase his efforts as how can he possibly put more effort into a fight than when he was fighting to the best of his ability. If you're fighting to the best of your ability, you can't increase your efforts, by definition that just doesn't make sense. By your logic, one cannot possibly fight to the best of their ability against a weaker opponent, because they wouldn't be forced to block as hard as they might have to against a stronger opponent etc. Seriously, this argument is very illogical. So are you saying that Sidious couldn't have possibly put as much effort as possible into killing the 'B team' because they were weaker? Seriously...

And I never said he was going "easy", I was just implying that he'd actually know some of Xanatos' movements as he trained him, contrary to Darth Maul. Who was also a double bladed lightsaber user, something I don't recall Qui-Gon ever fighting against (again, it goes with falls into something unfamiliar to what Jinn is used to, hence he must be at his peak in terms of "game"😉.

Again, you don't seem to understand that as long as he is fighting to the best of his ability, whoever his opponent is has no relation on his effort, because, by definition, when you are fighting at your best, you are putting in 100% effort. Unless you want to argue that he was putting in 100% effort against Xanatos, and 150% effort against Darth Maul... (LOL!)

All good and well. It seems like an ardent battle to me, too. But, hey, I can do the same thing:

"Qui-Gon, surprised by the other's quickness and ferocity, barely blocked the blow with his own weapon, the blades sliding apart with a harsh rasp. The attacker spun away in a whirl of dark clothing, then attacked anew, lightsaber slashing at his intended prey, face alight with a killing frenzy that promised no quarter.

The Jedi Master and his adversary filled the viewscreen commanding the rampway entrance, faces tight with determination and streaked with sweat.

He breathed deeply, waiting for his pounding heart to quiet. He had barely escaped with his life, and the thought was worrisome. His opponent was strong and had tested him severely."

I'm really not seeing what was so ferocious about Jinn here, this only speaks for Maul's ferocity.

And that was only when Darth Maul was testing him. Very intense for such a short battle. Later on, it's obvious vigor would grow as the thought of a Sith Lord had become about, and Darth Maul more than likely wasn't holding back on Naboo (or to the degree he was). Still, you seem to think that you can determine a definite answer on how Qui-Gon's intensity against Xanatos was in comparison to against Darth Maul. There's not a good chance on that, as I already know Darth Maul > Xanatos.

Too bad the strength on your opponents had no relation the effort you put in if you are fighting to the best of your ability.

But, do tell some more, is Xanatos even as powerful as Qui-Gon? I don't recall him being as good, but I do recall him - instead of surrendering to Qui-Gon - killing himself.

He's pretty much whack compared to Jinn. But that's irrelevant.

My Buddha, are you really this dense? Nothing has been noted to retcon it, you are just assuming so because you think everything you say is gospel.

And for future reference: it's not.

Script ain't canon, it renders it invalid.

A strike against me? I'm sorry, but anyone who considers themselves an able debater doesn't make short, asinine comments as you do.

Didn't realise being discrete was a bad thing. You're one of those people who thinks a longer answer to a question > a shorter answer, am I right? Are you the type of person who writes ten pages on an essay when they only need to write three? That's what I thought.

Anyways, as a SW fan, you're expected to know who Xanatos is, the very mention of his name should have made it clear as to my intentions to bringing him into the argument, it's not a strike against me, it's a strike against you.

"Xanatos, much"? How elaborate! Why don't you put what Xanatos did into context, how it applies, and the like? I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous on your part to tell me I'm "expected to know stuff". And uninformed? Right.

I think someone (you) needs to go back to the hole of which they crawled out of, as spewing this type of senselessness isn't kosher.

🙂

Originally posted by Advent

""...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " [b]By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, video games, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television. As I've mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt on a case-by-case.

This has been our general approach to continuity since we began using the Holocron database to track it."

-- Leland Chee, Holocron Continuity database, January 24, 2004[/B]

I have to ask, then why in the Respect Anakin thread, when I mentioned feats he did in the game, that weren't contradicted by the movie, were they disregarded as non-canon, when Chee stated "video games" in that quote?

Just curious...

Lol!

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You fail, kid.

And no, I'm not Polaski or whatever. It's funny though, I just met a new member named that on a Star Wars role play site I go to.

For the last time, I am not a fecking sock.

I'm not gonna bother reading anything because I'd think its plainly obvious that Maul owns all incarnations of Luke up until DE (at least in saber combat)

Originally posted by The Planet
For the last time, I am not a fecking sock.

Did I call you a sock?

no.

Originally posted by Blaxican
Did I call you a sock?

no.

'You fail, kid'?
A picture of a sock?
You did as good as calling me a sock, so please, stop. If you really want to get in a battle of wits with me, you will lose, so continue this if you will.

Dessel, i sense in you. He's the only one to start a respect thread. personally i dont give a shit.

What's up Advent, cat got your tongue?