jins main style is the karate , TKD was an martial art based on karate ,TKD was made for sports in first place,not for combars,just like judos.I know many guy who fight taekwondo will disagree with me , but what i said is exactly right,ask your TKD teachers for the history of taekwondo and you will see.
Originally posted by Hoshi
jins main style is the karate , TKD was an martial art based on karate ,TKD was made for sports in first place,not for combars,just like judos.I know many guy who fight taekwondo will disagree with me , but what i said is exactly right,ask your TKD teachers for the history of taekwondo and you will see.
U fool, taekwondo was created as martial art for Korean military, and isn't based on any other martial art. I've studied Taekwondo for 8 years, i know its history very well.
Hwoarang would kick Jin's ass for good...
Jin humiliated Hwoarang in their fight before T3 and ho only managed to draw it with some desperate effort (Jin wasn't fighting that seriously IIRC). that's why ho is so bitter about it. notice that jin's devil gene hadn't been unlocked then. it was only unlocked on the eve of the T3 tourny.
Tekken3, Jin PROBABLY beat ho again since Jin is known to have been the runner up to paul (and the subsequent winner).
also once the devil gene gets activated the power comes to the holder naturally. that's why devil and kazuya share the same power. same with jin. its just a split personality thing. devil jin just gets more "upgrades" to his body (ability to fly, shooting beams and telekenisis). in other words, if you're tlaking no devil gene, then it means Jin before Tekken3. if you mean no Devil Jin then that's another story.
in the end, I'll give it to Jin. the only reason pussyrang beat him in T5 was because Jin was unfocused and didn't even care about the fight (cutscenes from both of their fights). that's not a win.
all in all we have:
-a draw between serious ho and not-so-serious jin
-a very likely win for jin in T3
-and a win for ho against an unfocused Jin.
Jin beats him 9/10. besides, ho's overrated.
~Sado
Sado, actually Jin never beat Hwoarang, nor humiliated him. Before Tekken 3 it was a draw, and since then they didn't get to fight. Untill Tekken 5. That's when Hwoarang won, but yes, I agree with you on the Jin being unfocused part. Still, no reason for hating Hwoarang, he's a badass and he's never lost a fight. Plus taekwondo is awesome. And IMO Hwoarang stand more chance of beating Jin than if he had to fight, say Kazuya.
Sado, actually Jin never beat Hwoarang, nor humiliated him.
Before Tekken 3 it was a draw, and since then they didn't get to fight. Untill Tekken 5. That's when Hwoarang won, but yes, I agree with you on the Jin being unfocused part. Still, no reason for hating Hwoarang, he's a badass and he's never lost a fight. Plus taekwondo is awesome. And IMO Hwoarang stand more chance of beating Jin than if he had to fight, say Kazuya
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22To tell the truth I never heard anything about Jin having an upperhand in the fight. According to the official story they fought, neither of them won. It was a fair draw.
Hwoarang had to go all out to stalemate against Jin. Jin had the upperhand for the most part of it but it went into draw when Ho went all out. that's why Hwoarang wants to "settle the score" because as far as he's conscerned Jin won. not to mention that at the time Jin's powers weren't activated. his powers were activated by devil on the eve of the tournament.
Originally posted by Sado22Good points, but I really don't think that Hwoarang lost to anyone. Story mode is one thing, but it doesn't mean that Jin had to beat every single tekken character to get to Ogre. Besides, Hwoarang's entire story is about him not being able to handle the fact that he had a DRAW, the thought itself was embarassing to him, so that's what it all about and always has been for him. If he actually got his ass kicked by someone I'm pretty sure they would've at least mentioned it SOMEWHERE.
now why i saw he lost to Jin in tekken3. well for a number of reasons:
-Paul won the tournament which means he went all the way through everyone including Jin and Heihachi
-Jin was the runner up for the tournament (and then the eventual winner)
obviously, Hwoarang lost to either of them and its a best to say Jin. obviously, this isn't a 100% fact but still it does give food for thought.
Originally posted by Sado22😄 I've noticed. But I actually like him, he's not trying to be mysrterious or badass, he just loves what he does and one's gotta respect that.
well, that's arguable. i can respect you're opinion on the matter but I'm not a fan of Hwoarang. he's cheap imo.
Originally posted by Sado22That very well might be the case. I always thought that Kazuya lost because he undesrtimated his son, i mean, he spent years in volcano and in laboratories, he couldn't possibly know that Jin's such a good fighter. As for Kazuya's "loss" to Heihachi in tekken 4 he clearly did that in order to get to Jin as fast as posible seeing how Hachi told him that he'll only show him where Jin is "after the fight". Besides Kazuya himself said that Hachi spared him the time of looking for Jin himself...
not to mention that the only reason Jin ever beat Kazuya in T4 was because Kazuya didn't morph into Devil while Jin did......overconfident son of a gun that he is.
~Sado
And as for this thread. I'm leaning towards a draw. May be i'd give Jin a slight advantage like 5-6 wins out of 10 fights because he rarely cuts loose while 'rang always fights to his best and with fury. So if Jin actually put his mind to it...
Originally posted by Sado22
Jin humiliated Hwoarang in their fight before T3 and ho only managed to draw it with some desperate effort (Jin wasn't fighting that seriously IIRC). that's why ho is so bitter about it. notice that jin's devil gene hadn't been unlocked then. it was only unlocked on the eve of the T3 tourny.
Jin was fighting at full potential as well, he was not holding back, where are you getting this from. Even Kurichan, who arguably has done the most work in finding the canon plot to the storyline of Tekken has stated the Hwoarang was bitter because Jin fighting at his potential at the time, and Hwoarang doing the same was only able to manage a draw, that is why Hwoarang is bitter, because his win streak is blemished, not because Jin was "holding back".
Originally posted by Sado22
Tekken3, Jin PROBABLY beat ho again since Jin is known to have been the runner up to paul (and the subsequent winner).
Jin did not defeat Hwoarang in Tekken 3, considering that whole tournament is so vague only up to the point of what we know is that Paul went through the tournament undefeated, and beat out Ogre. Jin just happened to show up when the tournament continued and he went on to defeat True Ogre.
Nothing in the official profiles of both Jin or Hwoarang states that Hwoarang lost, or fought Jin.
Originally posted by Sado22
in the end, I'll give it to Jin. the only reason pussyrang beat him in T5 was because Jin was unfocused and didn't even care about the fight (cutscenes from both of their fights). that's not a win.all in all we have:
-a draw between serious ho and not-so-serious jin
-a very likely win for jin in T3
-and a win for ho against an unfocused Jin.Jin beats him 9/10. besides, ho's overrated.
~Sado
Your being completely biased to Jin here. Not once has Jin ever, ever defeated Hwoarang (show me proof on this, considering there was none in T3 to say Jin beat Hwoarang or Hwoarang beat Jin), while in Tekken 5, Hwoarang did beat a Jin. The whole Jin wasn't "focused" is nothing more then an excuse, considering it's not different then if I where to say the Ryu match up against Ken where Ken won because Ryu wasn't focused isn't legit, and thus not a win.
A win is a Win, period, and so far, when both fighters where focused the conclusion was an Equal match up, the only way Jin would have a clear cut advantage is if he went Emo Devil, that's it.
Regular Jin, against Hwoarang, it would be dead lock even 5/5, not a ridiculous 9/10 that your overstating. Man, I come back from my trip from Japan and your still spewing out garbage, its sickening sometimes.
Jin was fighting at full potential as well, he was not holding back, where are you getting this from. Even Kurichan, who arguably has done the most work in finding the canon plot to the storyline of Tekken has stated the Hwoarang was bitter because Jin fighting at his potential at the time, and Hwoarang doing the same was only able to manage a draw, that is why Hwoarang is bitter, because his win streak is blemished, not because Jin was "holding back".
Jin did not defeat Hwoarang in Tekken 3, considering that whole tournament is so vague only up to the point of what we know is that Paul went through the tournament undefeated, and beat out Ogre. Jin just happened to show up when the tournament continued and he went on to defeat True Ogre. Nothing in the official profiles of both Jin or Hwoarang states that Hwoarang lost, or fought Jin.
Your being completely biased to Jin here. Not once has Jin ever, ever defeated Hwoarang (show me proof on this, considering there was none in T3 to say Jin beat Hwoarang or Hwoarang beat Jin), while in Tekken 5, Hwoarang did beat a Jin. The whole Jin wasn't "focused" is nothing more then an excuse, considering it's not different then if I where to say the Ryu match up against Ken where Ken won because Ryu wasn't focused isn't legit, and thus not a win.
A win is a Win, period, and so far, when both fighters where focused the conclusion was an Equal match up, the only way Jin would have a clear cut advantage is if he went Emo Devil, that's it.
Regular Jin, against Hwoarang, it would be dead lock even 5/5, not a ridiculous 9/10 that your overstating. Man, I come back from my trip from Japan and your still spewing out garbage, its sickening sometimes.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
i said IIRC.
Your IIRC has alot of fantasy inputs...Hwoarang being desperate??? Jin not using his full potential???? Wow...that's a crazy IIRC.
Originally posted by Sado22
well, Jin and Paul went all the way up to semis. we know Jin was in the semis because Jin was around to defeat Ogre right after Paul left. now answer me this:
-we know for a fact that Hwoarang didn't win T3
-so he obviously lost (since he never won it) and was thus eliminated
now tell me, why would Hwoarang be conscerned about Jin's ass in T4 if somebody else BESIDES Jin beat him in T3? if a draw had bob's panties in such a bundle, what do you think a loss would to him?
try being reasonable man.
First of all, Jin also would have lost somewhere as well, as to "if" Jin made it to semi's is again, clearly speculation, although possibly he would have. As to whom Hwoarang lost too..we don't know either, and he could as well of made it to the Semi's as well. The fact that you assumed he lost to Jin is completely ridiculous on so many levels, considering we don't even know who beat who, and who lost to who, the only thing we know is that Paul went undefeated. Everything else is theory, and thus holds absolutely no water. All it states in the official statements is that Jin just showed up when Ogre turned to T. Ogre, and thus the tournament continued...that's all, nothing beyond that.
Hwoarang was concerned about Jin in Tekken 4, was most likely because the two NEVER got to fight in Tekken 3. Even in Hwoarang's official Tekken 4 profile, it never states that he lost to Jin in Tekken 3, nor does it even say he confronted Jin in a fight during Tekken 3 at all. So to assume otherwise is outrageous, because wouldn't you think it would have stated that in Hwoarang's official bio, considering that would have been a significant part to his character.
Hwoarang was angry of the blemished record, because he wanted to keep a perfect win score to show to his master Baek. Hwoarang is a rebel in a sense, so there's nothing wrong with him wanting a perfect win record. Jin just happened to be on par with Hwoarang's abilities and get a draw.
Originally posted by Sado22
it isn't entirely legit and that's why Ken stll wanted to "settle the score" in SF2. not rocket science mane.
Yes or No, does that count as a Win or Not? Also, Ken did not want to settle the score btw, his skills where actually deteriorating by the time SFII came around. Only when he knew that Ryu was entering in that tournament, did he get his fighting spirit back. Official Statements, no where does it say he wanted to settle the score, Ryu just happens to always be the urge that drives Ken to wanting to fight.
Originally posted by Sado22 at the time Jin didnt' have his devil powers activated. don't forget that.[/B]
Which is why I said the only way Jin would have the advantage is IF he went Devil. Otherwise it's a 50/50 match up period.
Originally posted by Sado22
nice to see you too, son. now make sure you get your little temper tantrums under control this time. last time you nearly got banned while i got to laugh at the whole situation 😄~Sado
Are you threatening me with the ban remark? Considering I never even got told by an Admin or anybody for that matter by this, not to mention it's clear that I'm not the one spewing false info everywhere.
50/50 between the two, considering of what we do know of Hwoarang and Jin...I'll be looking forward to hearing more bogus info coming from you again as to somehow Jin beat Hwoarang magically somewhere.
Your IIRC has alot of fantasy inputs...Hwoarang being desperate??? Jin not using his full potential???? Wow...that's a crazy IIRC.
First of all, Jin also would have lost somewhere as well, as to "if" Jin made it to semi's is again, clearly speculation, although possibly he would have. As to whom Hwoarang lost too..we don't know either, and he could as well of made it to the Semi's as well. The fact that you assumed he lost to Jin is completely ridiculous on so many levels, considering we don't even know who beat who, and who lost to who, the only thing we know is that Paul went undefeated. Everything else is theory, and thus holds absolutely no water. All it states in the official statements is that Jin just showed up when Ogre turned to T. Ogre, and thus the tournament continued...that's all, nothing beyond that
Hwoarang was concerned about Jin in Tekken 4, was most likely because the two NEVER got to fight in Tekken 3. Even in Hwoarang's official Tekken 4 profile, it never states that he lost to Jin in Tekken 3, nor does it even say he confronted Jin in a fight during Tekken 3 at all. So to assume otherwise is outrageous, because wouldn't you think it would have stated that in Hwoarang's official bio, considering that would have been a significant part to his character.
Hwoarang was angry of the blemished record, because he wanted to keep a perfect win score to show to his master Baek. Hwoarang is a rebel in a sense, so there's nothing wrong with him wanting a perfect win record. Jin just happened to be on par with Hwoarang's abilities and get a draw.
Yes or No, does that count as a Win or Not? Also, Ken did not want to settle the score btw, his skills where actually deteriorating by the time SFII came around. Only when he knew that Ryu was entering in that tournament, did he get his fighting spirit back. Official Statements, no where does it say he wanted to settle the score, Ryu just happens to always be the urge that drives Ken to wanting to fight.
Which is why I said the only way Jin would have the advantage is IF he went Devil. Otherwise it's a 50/50 match up period.
Are you threatening me with the ban remark? Considering I never even got told by an Admin or anybody for that matter by this, not to mention it's clear that I'm not the one spewing false info everywhere.
~Sado
P.S. take it easy btw. no need to go and get banned over videogame characters. that's just lame. go to town, mane.
Originally posted by Sado22
I think it still said thaT Hwoarang tried his best.
Still, is still theory, the fact is, both of them fought at their best, and the outcome ='s Draw, again, your acting like Jin "wasn't" trying. The two fought fair and square, please don't degrade Hwoarang.
Originally posted by Sado22
and i see you've totally ignored my main point. Paul won the tourny, Jin happened to be the around at the time and the only way the "tournament continued" is if the champ is disqualified. which is exactly what happened. it didn't say Jin beat True Ogre alone. it said Jin beat True Ogre and hence became the champion. this ONLY happens when the would-be-champ gets DQ'd. Jin being there and the tournament continuing only mean that Jin was the runner up till that point. there is no buts and ifs involved.
I see that you completely and utterly ignored my point. Are you that out of it, it doesn't matter if JIN beat T. Ogre. That wasn't even my point in the first place, what are you arguing about now? My point was that Jin did not BEAT Hwoarang in Tekken 3. Please spare me the Jin beats T. Ogre, we all know that by now.
Originally posted by Sado22
once again, if somebody else beat bob, do you really think he'd be conscerned with Jin. his bio in T4 IIRC said something about him thinking about his fights, "especially his fight with Jin Kazama". did it mention anything about which one? no. so you "point" doesn't negate anything i said.
Read his official bio again, it says absolutely nothing about fighting Jin Kazama during Tekken 3. In fact, the reference of his battle with Jin was during the "Money Fights" that occured before Tekken 3, from a direct quote of the official Hwoarang Bio.
"He longingly recalled the days of hustling money in street fights and the rush he experienced from hand-to-hand combat. He often thought of one fight in particular ...the fight against Jin Kazama."
He is directly thinking of his draw fight in which occured previous to Tekken 3, not during Tekken 3 the tournament. Considering it says ONE fight, and also during the days of his hustling, which all occured previous to Tekken 3, so yes, I did negate your "theory". Jin never ever beat Hwoarang during Tekken 3.
Originally posted by Sado22
okay yes we all know that. but his "draw" only happened prior to Jin's devil powers activated and Jin's been a monster since his devil powers got activated.
Jin's abilities as Regular Jin is exactly the same, maybe you might not realize it, but unlike Kazuya, Jin can't harness his powers at will. Not only that, but now with the current Jin, we do not know if he's putting up smoke and mirrors or else if he's completely consumed by Devil himself and within this case it wouldn't even be Jin anymore.
Originally posted by Sado22
its not as simple as yes and no because a fight with an opponent who'se not even thinking or caring about the fight at hand is not a real fight. that's why Ken's win over Ryu in SFa2, Ken never considered it a real win. like i said. not rocket science.
Quote it from an official statement of where Ken says it wasn't a "legit fight", I'll be looking forward to this.
Originally posted by Sado22
not really. Jin wasn't at his full power then.
-he gets a stalemate before power upgrade
-he gets a power upgrade
do the math. Jin doesn't need to become Devil Jin to beat Hwoarang. he already has that power in him. Devil Jin is not more powerful than regular Jin because they share the same power source. DJ just has more outlets for that power (wings, rays, telekinesis etc)you haven't proved nothing yet son. all you've done thus far is get a warning from the mods and go on a haitus. as for "false info" all you've really done is prove that a lot of tekkeninfo is just guess work and postulations. and i'll love to hear you're contradictory "rebuttals" ( 😂 ) about Hwoarang being rebellious and going to any length to avenge a stalemate but apparently he doesn't mind if he gets his ass handed to him by anybody else besides Jin...because we know for damn sure that he never won t3 and so he must've been beaten by somebody. all you seem to be doing is really solidifying the fact he's a masochistic queer who only wants to get smacked around by Jin.
~Sado
P.S. take it easy btw. no need to go and get banned over videogame characters. that's just lame. go to town, mane.
Seriously, threaten me with getting banned again, and I'll definitely bring you to the Mods. Because again, I've gotten no remark from a Mod telling me, or giving me - points or what not. So if you bring that remark one more time, I'll see it that you get what you deserve for threatening another person on the forums with banning when you yourself are not a mod, so keep it up if you really want it to go that way.
However to move back to Jin vs Hwoarang, the fact that the only battles between Hwoarang and Jin occured Pre-Tekken3 and during Tekken-5 means one thing. Fight 1 Jin vs Hwoarang = Tie, Fight 2 Jin vs Hwoarang = Hwoarang wins, and lastly, Hwoarang see's Jin as a rival, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, and the fact that you keep bringing this up is getting laughable now.
Tekken 5 regular Jin couldn't even control his powers, so the "ability" to harness it like how Kazuya would have is outrageous. Considering whenever Devil comes out, he completely blacks out every single time. When has Jin shown the ability to harness Devil's powers as Regular Jin for an upgrade? Hmm...if you bring up Tekken 4 against his fight with Kazuya and Hei, then you are absolutely wrong, considering it was Kazuya who brought forth Devil from Jin, not Jin himself.
It's been shown again and again, that Jin can't control his Devil powers unlike Kazuya, and more importantly that Jin himself doesn't want to use Devil's poweers. This wouldn't have any relevance to his fights with Hwoarang even all the way up to this point. Because "had" Jin of harnessed Devil's powers and gotten the so called "upgrade", he would have easily mopped the floor with Hwoarang in Tekken 5 even if he "wasn't focused".
In fact, even all the way up to their battle in Tekken 5 it proves my case that regular Jin was never "upgraded with Devil powers" unless he went Devil Jin. Read Hwoarang's official Tekken 6 BIO again, it clearly states that only after the Battle and when Hwoarang beat Jin with the Mishima lying on the ground then Jin suddenly roars with a paranormal sound with black wings and stands before Hwoarang in his Devil Form and unleashed it against Hwoarang, out fighting him and then knocking him unconscious.
So again...where is this theory of "Jin got upgraded with Devil Powers as regular Jin" coming from? Because in order for that to happen, Jin first must have control over Devil, in which he was never ever shown capable of doing, he would have to embrace it and want it for himself, in which again he has been shown time and time again always relinquishing it. In fact, the only character to still show thus far to wanting to truly harness Devil is Kazuya himself. So again, how does one "harness" this power if 1. they can't control it to even harness it 2. they don't even want it in the first place.
There has been absolutely no proof you can show to me in which Jin could harness Devils powers as Regular Jin without going completely blank, meaning that he wouldn't even be Regular Jin anymore. So in regards to what I said earlier is true that Regular Jin vs Hwoarang ='s 50/50, Devil Jin vs Hwoarang ='s Devil Jin advantage.
Btw, the current Jin, Tekken 6 Jin, we don't even know of his true agenda, or what not. We don't even know if Devil has fully consumed or possessed him (by which that time, it's no longer Regular Jin but Devil Jin), or if he's plotting this all to destroy Devil entirely (in which he could potentially "have" control of Devil and maybe baiting it to destroy the Devil Gene himself). The fact is, we don't know much about what Jin is doing in Tekken 6, his capabilities or what not at this very point, because most of it so far has been theory for Tekken 6. Again Tekken 6 is all theory talk until Tekken 7 comes out, or else the Tekken 6 : Blood Rebellion when we get some endings so we can flesh out a more theorized idea, however T7 is the only way to really know what happened Post Tekken 6.