Good Lord, less than a month to go and this thread still exists?...
Darth Sidious was trained by Darth Plagueis.
For centuries the Sith had remained hidden, waiting for an apprentice charismatic, powerful, and intelligent enough to exact revenge on the Jedi.
Sidious was that apprentice.
Seeing the democratic heart of the Republic as the weakness he could exploit, he set in motion a series of events which would see him - as his alter-ego Palpatine - control the very Republic that the Jedi sought to protect.
And the fearsome Darth Maul was, in turn, just the apprentice to announce to the Jedi that the Sith were back.
Following Maul's death, Sidious sought a quicker path to procuring a new apprentice.
The reappearance of the Sith and the encroaching dark shroud had created fractures within the order which could be exploited.
Aleady disenchanted with the Jedi Order, repspected Jedi Master, Count Dooku fell under Palpatine's wing.
His seduction to the Dark Side was almost complete when Palpatine revealled to Dooku that his former confident, Master Sifo-Dyas - anticipating the dark times ahead - had secretly been in touch with Kaminoan cloners to create an army to protect the Republic.
The Sith could use these clones when the time is right, but they must remain a secret for the time being. Dooku was instructed to kill Dyas and erase Kamino from the Jedi Archives - thus cementing his turn to the Dark Side, proving his loyalty to Sidious and providing Sidious with a scapegoat for the Army he himself had created.
With no one able to prove that the innocent Dyas had NOT ordered the Army, the Jedi would be left chasing their own tails until the time came when Sidious ensured the Clones would HAVE to be brought into action.
So, just to recap:
Darth Maul is dead and is not in ROTS.
Order 66 proves that the Clone Army was concieved and ordered by Sidious himself.
They become the foundation of his future Empire - how could it ever have been anyone else?
Only Dooku would have A) had access to the Jedi archives and B) had the inclination to erase Kamino.
LOE supports this.
So - it is explained in ROTS.
And Sifo-Dyas is, and always has been, just Sifo-Dyas.
And he is dead.
Originally posted by J-Unit
Eh Pardon Me But The Chansellor(Palpatine) Took Charge Of The Clones But Did Not Order Them Dude You Gota Look On AOTC Again
Sidious ordered them.
Dooku contacted and liased with the clone template, Jango Fett, and then erased Kamino.
Where in AOTC does it say otherwise... erm... dude?
Originally posted by mossman
Darth Sidious was trained by Darth Plagueis.
For centuries the Sith had remained hidden, waiting for an apprentice charismatic, powerful, and intelligent enough to exact revenge on the Jedi.
Sidious was that apprentice.
Seeing the democratic heart of the Republic as the weakness he could exploit, he set in motion a series of events which would see him - as his alter-ego Palpatine - control the very Republic that the Jedi sought to protect.
And the fearsome Darth Maul was, in turn, just the apprentice to announce to the Jedi that the Sith were back.Following Maul's death, Sidious sought a quicker path to procuring a new apprentice.
The reappearance of the Sith and the encroaching dark shroud had created fractures within the order which could be exploited.
Aleady disenchanted with the Jedi Order, repspected Jedi Master, Count Dooku fell under Palpatine's wing.
His seduction to the Dark Side was almost complete when Palpatine revealled to Dooku that his former confident, Master Sifo-Dyas - anticipating the dark times ahead - had secretly been in touch with Kaminoan cloners to create an army to protect the Republic.
The Sith could use these clones when the time is right, but they must remain a secret for the time being. Dooku was instructed to kill Dyas and erase Kamino from the Jedi Archives - thus cementing his turn to the Dark Side, proving his loyalty to Sidious and providing Sidious with a scapegoat for the Army he himself had created.
With no one able to prove that the innocent Dyas had NOT ordered the Army, the Jedi would be left chasing their own tails until the time came when Sidious ensured the Clones would HAVE to be brought into action.
Originally posted by mossman
So, just to recap:Darth Maul is dead and is not in ROTS.
Order 66 proves that the Clone Army was concieved and ordered by Sidious himself.
They become the foundation of his future Empire - how could it ever have been anyone else?
Only Dooku would have A) had access to the Jedi archives and B) had the inclination to erase Kamino.
LOE supports this.So - it is explained in ROTS.
And Sifo-Dyas is, and always has been, just Sifo-Dyas.
And he is dead.
all of this sounds good, very good in fact...
there's just one small thing you are overlooking...
Siffo Dyas is Yoda, ffs!!
OK, for what i hope will be the last time, I wil explain...
Yoda orginally called his alter-ego Siffo Dyas, which is Old Muppet for 'The One, Who is Neither Neo nor New' Siffo meaning 'New Neo', Dyas meaning 'Not'
Republic credit cards only allow for 8 characters to be printed in the NAME SPACE, not 9, an over-sight which Yoda failed to consider when coining the name for his alter-ego. When he applied for the Republic-credit card, taking that crucial first step in securing funds to commission the clone army, he realized his mistake, but the ball was already rolling, and he had no time to invent a new name and identity..
so, he though long and hard, and realized that that the simple omission of one of the 2 'f's from his alter-ego's first name Siffo would still convey essentially the same subliminal message while allowing him to further conceal his age and true identity, as well as to open a line of credit with Intergalactic Bank and Trust to purchase the clones.
You see, in Old Muppet, where 'Siffo' means 'New Neo', 'Sifo' means simply 'Neo'... so Yoda's alter-ego, Siffo Dyas 'The One who is neither Neo nor New' became simply Sifo Dyas 'The One who is not Neo'
also, being that Siffo Dyas was Old Muppet language, and given that Yoda later become not so much Muppet as digital effect, updating and modernizing the name by dropping that extra silent 'f' seemed appropriate...
as far as GL's mind for anagrams goes, ok, if you must go with the 'popular' spelling, rather than the precise spelling so meticulously planned and plotted by Lucas and myself...
Sifo Dyas: is yoda fs, in which case fs is the standard short-hand for, 'for sure'... for sure... not as dramatically viable as the more oft used 'ffs' but so be it, Jedi...
sifo dyas is still yoda, fs!!!!! ffs!!
Hey new idea
I think Darth Plagueis is Sifo Dyas!
Plagueis appears as the master of Sifo Dyas. Until Sidious killed him.
For closer details read the book.
Well I think Plagueis was all the time when he prepared the plan to become the leader of the Universe a jedi.
So he could have ordered them for his plan.
Unfortunately
He seemed to be able to save every life. Only his own one he couldn't
P.s. I think Darth Plagueis will be the evil Sith in episode 7 to 9.
Originally posted by SlickRick69
all of this sounds good, very good in fact...there's just one small thing you are overlooking...
[b]Siffo Dyas is Yoda, ffs!!
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dude.....for gods sake....you have no intelligent argument to back that up. now just be quiet and accept the damn fact that sifo dyas is sifo dyas. not yoda. not maul.
Originally posted by Bloodspock
ok sifo dyas is sifo dyas, but why did he die after he ordered the clone army and why didn't he tell anyone about it. Usualy they give orders but sifo dyas did't get one.
He did more than die.
He was killed.
Because Dooku killed him.
Because Sifo-Dyas never really actually ordered any clones, but everyone was meant to think he did.
Sidious contacted Kamino, pretending to be Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas.
Sidious told Dooku that Sifo did it, but that if Sifo was killed and the clone army hidden, the clones could be used to the Sith advantage.
So Dooku killed Dyas, erased Kamino, left the order and passed the Sith "trial of trust" that Sidious had Forced him into.
He went on to liase with Jango Fett, the clone template, and oversee the completion of the order.
Sidious wanted the clones.
Sidious used the clones.
Sidious ordered the clones.
Sifo-Dyas never knew ANYTHING about any clones.
He was a Jedi Master who got killed - another innocent victim of Palpatine's rise to galactic domination.
Let's look at the alternative: "Hi, I'm Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas. I'd like to order some clones please. Yes, hardened warriors - Oh, I nearly forgot. Could you make them utterly loyal to the head of the Republic and indoctrinate them with a series of special directives. Make sure you put one in there which orders them to slaughter all Jedi immediately - that one will really help the war effort..."
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Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, Dooku did the ordering, and knew things full well. It could not have happened until Dooku was involved- he brought along the template.
Labyrinth of Evil, written as a lead-in ROTS and with access to the ROTS script, begs to differ...
But, Dooku or Sidious, my point remains the same. 🙂
The Sith created the clone army.
They pinned it on the Jedi then hid the evidence.
And Sifo-Dyas was just another innocent casualty of war.
since Ush says that Dooku was involved, I must concur...
Yoda sent Dooku to commission the clone army, but instructed Dooku to do so using Yoda's alias alter-ego Sifo Dyas. Dooku did it, but then started plotting with Sidious how to make the Republic Clone Army work for the Sith, Dooku left the Jedi, became a Sith, etc etc, blah blah...
it still works, and siffo dyas is still yoda, ffs!!
you'll see
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