hulk is the strongest terran there is, that is in terms of earthers who are strong for no damn reason and doesnt employ cosmic or magical energies to augment thier strength. the others on my immediate list are thanos, apocalypse and gladiator. thanos strentgh is listed as incalculable,(marevl encyclopedia)even b4 he boosts himself with cosmic energies. gladiator is as strong as he believes he is. and apocalypse can make his strenght immeasurable with his OWN stored energies
but did you read the issues with Sundown?
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/sundowns.htm
i don't know why the Thing would carry a big stone around in the fantasticar..... lol
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depends on what era of marvel we are talking about it is on record that stan lee the creator(co-creator)of thor and the hulk believed thor was stronger than the hulk and that included an angry hulk i believe that's why thor never had any problems stalemating the hulk in their early hand to hand battles but more recently marvel seems to have gone along with the hulk being stronger than most other beings including thor,hercules etc although there is stll never shown to be that much difference.Peter david is on record as saying he believes thanos to be above the hulk and he is one of the best hulk writers ever.
Peter David himself has said that Hulk's strength is limitless. He has no limit to how angry he can get, how strong he can get, how fast he can heal, or apparently, how huge he can become. At one point, Hulk's healing factor was on the brink of physical invincibility. There is absolutely no cap to his strength, it increases towards infinity.
Surfer can indeed increase his strength, but not to the level or with the speed that Hulk can. Hulk's strength makes monumental leaps. When Molecule Man dropped a mountain on Hulk, his strength instantly jumped from >100 tons, (or whatever his base is,) straight to 150,000,000,000 tons. No one can match that sort of strength increase. No one in Marvel has performed greater feats of strength than Hulk either. He is truely "the strongest there is."
If Hulk's strength is "limitless", then that means he can
eventually become as strong as Galactus. As strong as a
Celestial. Even eventually as strong as the Living Tribunal
himself! Apparently Hulk can become god if angry enough.
I think this Peter David maybe mispoke.
And I won't talk about the Secret Wars incident, as I think
I have already said I thought it was bulls***, like alot of
other things in that series.
No, Hulk could never reach the level of the living Tribunal (though the Living Tribunal does not display strength.) The Living Tribunal is infinite. Hulk's strength can approach infinity; it cannot reach infinity.
Yes, Hulk could become as strong as a Celestial, or as strong as Galactus. Could he be come as powerful as either? of course not. Could he defeat either? Of course not. Strength isn't the only aspect of power. If so, anyone who has the infinity power gem would be God. And Drax certainly isn't.
Peter certainly did not make any mistake when he said this. He has written Hulk for over 12 years. He knows the character very well.
Whether you think it is BS, or unrealistic is irrelevant. It is legitimate. What BS happened in the secret wars?
I read somewhere i think it was in the back of essential xmen(uk reprint of xmen titles) that the hulk holding up the mountain in secret wars wasnt actually all that impressive because most of the weight of it was secretly being supported by molecule man who wasnt evil, just misunderstood and under pressure from Doom. Now i find that very believable because for one the hulk wasnt even angry before or during supporting the mountain. Plus even if he was angry which he clearly wasnt when has hulk before or since that incidence ever angered enough to go from class 100 to being able to support a mountain thats ridiculous. Thats pre-crisis supes level.
Plus one thing that annoys me is how people blabber on about how the hulk has limitless, infinite srtength. yes hulks strength is referred to as being limitless. It is limitless in that the limits have not been gauged by this point in time not limitless in that the hulk can if angry enough juggle suns. Please dont be so stupid people.
Not being stupid, just going by facts.
There is a difference between having no known limit and not having a limit are entirely different. Hulk is the latter.
Well, I suppose Hulk moving tectonic plates that weighed a couple hundred trillon tons, and destroying planetoid with twice of the earth's mass would prove that his strength is limitless. People, try to understand that this is a comic book.
Molecule Man was controlled by Doom? Get real.
I have the essential X-Men book vol 1. It says nothing of the sort.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
the champion of the universe with his gem or anyone with that gem could pummel the hulk in terms of sheer brute strength and show him the meaning of tue limitless power. Any beins above skyfather level could also deal with the hulk in terms of strength
True indeed.
Doesn't change the fact that Hulk could become stronger than them.
'I have the essential X-Men book vol 1. It says nothing of the sort.'
Wrong thing CC i also hav that but thats not what im talking about. Essential xmen is a series in the u.k which reprints american xtitles but is 2 and a half yrs behind i believe so its just doin the rogue vs vargas thing. Hulks strength is not absolutely limitless. His limits hav just not been gauged. Because so far when hes needed to achieve something by getting angry enough hes always had the strength to overcome said obstacles. For all practical applications on earth his strength is limitless thees virtually nothing he cant do in terms of lifting things but as i said b4 not limitless in that he can if angry enough juggle planets or suns. Get real CC. And yes Molecule Man before he realised his potential was under pressure from Doom i never said Doom controlled him you just made that up CC. But yes soon after he got his powers Doom could and did influence his decisions and persuade him to do things that perhaps were out of character for him at the time. Such as ruthlessly dropping a mountain on the heroes and killing them. Im on a break from uni at the mo for the nxt few weeks while im at home i'll search thru my collection and scan in that excerpt which says molecule man was actually supporting the majority of that weight which actually makes sense as i said before when u look at feats hulk did before or since that. Hulk wasnt even angry it didnt make sense!!
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No, Hulk could never reach the level of the living Tribunal (though the Living Tribunal does not display strength.) The Living Tribunal is infinite. Hulk's strength can approach infinity; it cannot reach infinity.
If he's potential strength is "limitless", then he should be able to
reach such a strength level. "Limiteless"="Infinite".
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Yes, Hulk could become as strong as a Celestial, or as strong as Galactus. Could he be come as powerful as either? of course not. Could he defeat either? Of course not. Strength isn't the only aspect of power. If so, anyone who has the infinity power gem would be God. And Drax certainly isn't.
You realy believe that? Even Superman, who is stronger than the
Hulk, and whose power levels was never really gauged (DC didn't
really make a "Marvel Universe"-like guide, atleast none memorable)
was enver said to be able to reach such a level.
Why can't you just stop and think about how stupid Hulk's strength
being "limitless" sounds?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Peter certainly did not make any mistake when he said this. He has written Hulk for over 12 years. He knows the character very well.
Fine. But you don't think that a guy who spent 12 years writing
about a character wouldn't exaggerate his powers? And has anybody
ever actually asked David if Hulk's strength really is umlimited?
Or did he just use the word voluntarily?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Whether you think it is BS, or unrealistic is irrelevant. It is legitimate. What BS happened in the secret wars?
It was bs. You know very well that very often a writer will have
something happen in his comic which makes no sense. Take Alpha
Flight's defeat of Galactus and his herald Nova, or Wolverine beating
Lobo.
Or take that nonesense I read somewhere about the Hulk jumping
across the Pacific Ocean!?!
Put the mountain incident in the same catagory.
As for Secret Wars. The whole thing was just to make money, that's
why they put most of the popular characters in it. Why would Galactus
be there? He's not an earthling, or a hero or villian?
What about the Lizard, Dr.Octopus, or Hawkeye, what the hell are
they doing there? They're not the in the same power league as many
of the others?
The answer is simple: money-making bulls***.
The only good thing to come out of the series was the Symbiot of
Spider-Man.
Let's face it, most of those comic book-"Grand Hotel" series often
end up ruining one aspect of their cast or another.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Not being stupid, just going by facts.There is a difference between having no known limit and not having a limit are entirely different. Hulk is the latter.
Well, I suppose Hulk moving tectonic plates that weighed a couple hundred trillon tons, and destroying planetoid with twice of the earth's mass would prove that his strength is limitless. People, try to understand that this is a comic book.
Obviously Marvel desperately wants to make Hulk into Superman.
If Hulk really was this strong, then he should be able to win every
damn fight he gets into with one finger.
Galacticstorm, provide some evidence of this. Why would they say Hulk was lifting 150 billion tons if he really couldn't? If Molecule Man had truely done this, it would have been revealed in the issue, not in some british X-Men comic several years later. That's just stupid. If they wanted people to know about it, it would have been widespread knowledge.
You can never reach infinity. You can only approach it. Hulk can never attain infinite strength. He can only approach it. Limitless strength doesn't sound so ludicrous to me. The Asguardian Destroyer has it. So does the Beyonder.
Hulk can become strong enough to lift anything. Juggling planets is physically impossible. THAT's bs.
Marvel's Superman? We already have that. Gladiator.
Hulk has jumped across the Pacific, jumped into outer space, ect. Hulk was originally made to have strength that increases limitlessly; he isn't getting upgrades or anything of the sort. Hulk cannot beat anyone, however. He does not exercise infinite strength, he must steadily increase his strength through anger. If he can stay in a fight long enough, he can beat anyone in a match of strength. However, if that person can blink him out of existance, strength doesn't matter, does it?
Hulk is absolutely nothing like Superman. It sickens me that every character with high strength levels is "trying to be like Superman." He isn't the only strong character. No one is taking anything away from Superman, but he is not the epitome of strength. Hulk has performed greater feats of strength than Superman has.
"If [Superman] really was this strong, then he should be able to win every damn fight he gets into with one finger."
But he doesn't does he? Strength isn't everything.
I see there is a discrepancy in my use of the word "limitless."
Hulk does not have a limit to how strong he can get. His strength is "limitless." However, his strength will never be "infinite," because he cannot reach infinity. LT is "infinite." The Beyonder is "infinite" The holder of the Infinity Power Gem has "infinite" strength.
No matter how angry Hulk gets, or how much his strength increases, he will never reach "infinite" strength.
Hence, anyone with "infinite" strength is stronger than Hulk could ever become.