In terms of brutal strenght: Who is more powerful in Marvel... than savage HULK ???

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I see there is a discrepancy in my use of the word "limitless."

Hulk does not have a limit to how strong he can get. His strength is "limitless." However, his strength will never be "infinite," because he cannot reach infinity. LT is "infinite." The Beyonder is "infinite" The holder of the Infinity Power Gem has "infinite" strength.
No matter how angry Hulk gets, or how much his strength increases, he will never reach "infinite" strength.

Hence, anyone with "infinite" strength is stronger than Hulk could ever become.

I think I see what you saying. You are basically using "limitless" in a
different sense that it usually is.

"Limitless" is usually thought of like "infinite".

However, you seem to be using it in the context of "potential access"
to strength. IN other words, you're saying that Living Tribunal had
infinite strength, but Hulk has limited strength but with
limitless access to greater and greater strength.

Let me use an analogy: It's like I have a magical hat that is really a
portal to a place where there is infinite gold. As a result, I have an
umlimited supply of gold, but the actual amount of gold that I
will have, no mater how much I withdraw, will always be finite.
The gold in the other dimension is infinite, the amount I can withdraw
from it is limitless, but the actual amount that I have in front of
me will alwasy be finite. Thus no mater how much I withdraw, I
will never have as much as in the other dimension.

Is that right?

If so, then it still doesn't change anything, for one simple reason:
While the Hulk can never attain nfinite strength, neither can any of
his opponents, no matter who, since all desplays of strength are finite.

So even if we're talking about the Hulk vs. Living Tribunal in a battle
of strength, any feat of strength that the Living Tribunal does
will take the form of a finite physical act. Even if it's "lifting" ten
universe combines, it'll still be a finite (so huge) weight that is
being lifted.

So if you take you're assertion that Hulk's strength (or access to
growing strength) is "limitless", he should eventually be able to also
lift ten universes, given time.

I don't mean to sound absurdly logical in discussing comic books, but
I just wanted to show how silly this determined use of the word
"limitless" is, which was backed up by your assertion that the Hulk
would even be able to "out-muscle" a Celestial or Galactus (given
enough time and anger), and that (I guess) only the use of
none-physical powers will give these opponents a victory.

I think it's wrong. I don't think David meant for "limitless" to be
taken literally.

i agree totally

you have a magic hat that leads to limitless gold?!?!?!?!?!...........

can i have some? 😄

wwill evry1 stop talkin bout limitless n stuff its annoying

If I had that hat I'd sooo tip it upside down and fill the ocean with gold coins.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If I had that hat I'd sooo tip it upside down and fill the ocean with gold coins.

Know what you mean.

But where would the water go?

Originally posted by pmike
wwill evry1 stop talkin bout limitless n stuff its annoying

Jeez, calm down pmike.

Maybe it is annoying, but it does relate to how strong
the Hulk is, and therefore who can be stronger than him.

Originally posted by King Burger
Know what you mean.

But where would the water go?

Sounds like A Plan, my friend.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It'd go up. I'd flood the planet by gold coin displacement!

Hmmm, methinks that would defeat the whole purpose of
having gold.

Or were you just looking to create a more "dazzling" Day
of Judgement?

I guess we could all live on gold coin islands until I nuke the planet so Superman can't have it.

The answer to this thread is the $10 million dollar question.

I can't think of anyone who can physically out power the Hulk in terms of power as in strength.

😎

If u read thru this thread from beginning till end then you'll learn of quite a few

Originally posted by King Burger
I think I see what you saying. You are basically using "limitless" in a
different sense that it usually is.

"Limitless" is usually thought of like "infinite".

However, you seem to be using it in the context of "potential access"
to strength. IN other words, you're saying that Living Tribunal had
infinite strength, but Hulk has limited strength but with
limitless access to greater and greater strength.

Let me use an analogy: It's like I have a magical hat that is really a
portal to a place where there is infinite gold. As a result, I have an
umlimited supply of gold, but the actual amount of gold that I
will have, no mater how much I withdraw, will always be finite.
The gold in the other dimension is infinite, the amount I can withdraw
from it is limitless, but the actual amount that I have in front of
me will alwasy be finite. Thus no mater how much I withdraw, I
will never have as much as in the other dimension.

Is that right?

If so, then it still doesn't change anything, for one simple reason:
While the Hulk can never attain nfinite strength, neither can any of
his opponents, no matter who, since all desplays of strength are finite.

So even if we're talking about the Hulk vs. Living Tribunal in a battle
of strength, any feat of strength that the Living Tribunal does
will take the form of a finite physical act. Even if it's "lifting" ten
universe combines, it'll still be a finite (so huge) weight that is
being lifted.

So if you take you're assertion that Hulk's strength (or access to
growing strength) is "limitless", he should eventually be able to also
lift ten universes, given time.

I don't mean to sound absurdly logical in discussing comic books, but
I just wanted to show how silly this determined use of the word
"limitless" is, which was backed up by your assertion that the Hulk
would even be able to "out-muscle" a Celestial or Galactus (given
enough time and anger), and that (I guess) only the use of
none-physical powers will give these opponents a victory.

I think it's wrong. I don't think David meant for "limitless" to be
taken literally.

You almost have my meaning. Hulk's strength is not infinite, however, he can continue to gain strength forever. This takes time and quite a bit of motivation, but it can be done. If Hulk were to fight a Celestial, he would be wiped out almost immediately, since it would take Hulk quite some time to gain that level of strength. No, he could not out-muscle Galactus, or a Celestial. To think that he can is perposterous. However, given time and motivation, he can attain any level of strength, even the strength level of a Celestial.

If Hulk could attain any level of strength immidiately without any motivation, he would defeat his foes without trying. That is not the case. The longer/harder the fight, the stronger he will become. That certainly does not insure victory, though. That is what Peter David means when he says, "Even with limitless strength one can be powerless."

Originally posted by King Burger
Not at all.

What I meant to imply, was that the Hulk was not meant to
perform such extraordinary feats of strength as Superman,
his strenght was a bit more reasonable.

It was usually Superman who did things like move mountains
and plates and so forth. Maybe that's still stupid with him
doing it, but atleast he's been doing it for several decades. It's
a part of what makes him "super".

Hulk was more realistic. He was very strong, but never to such
a (many would say stupid) level.

You've got Hulk all messed up. Read a few of his old comics.

Hulk has performed feats of unimaginable strength. He has created greater than hurricane force winds with a clap of his hands, he has jumped into outer space, he has even pulverized an planetoid twice the size/mass of the earth. Hulk is made to be just as strong as Superman, and much, much stronger.

Realistic? If he was, I would never read Hulk comics. Reality sucks.

Originally posted by Maestro
well the hulk beat the collector who had one of the infinity gems( I think it was the power gem), and then threw it into the core of a planet. This is quite a high feat, seeing that the collector is a elder of the universe.

I know what you're talking about. In IH 198, Hulk is trapped by the Elder of the Universe, Collector, who had the Soul Gem. Collector says, "You're trapped in the most powerful forcefield at my disposal, so if your inclined to smash at something, try smashing THAT!!" Hulk pounds on it for a couple of minutes, and he soon breaks through and escapes.

In Secret Wars #8, The Beyonder himself says, "You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside! Worse yet, you remind me of someone... myself."

The Infinity power gem draws power from every being in the universe. In Infinity Gauntlet #1 "God", it is shown that the power gem draws largely from the Hulk.

These are just a few instances proving that Hulk can attain limitless levels of strength.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You almost have my meaning. Hulk's strength is not infinite, however, he can continue to gain strength forever. This takes time and quite a bit of motivation, but it can be done. If Hulk were to fight a Celestial, he would be wiped out almost immediately, since it would take Hulk quite some time to gain that level of strength. No, he could not out-muscle Galactus, or a Celestial. To think that he can is perposterous. However, given time and motivation, he can attain any level of strength, even the strength level of a Celestial.

If Hulk could attain any level of strength immidiately without any motivation, he would defeat his foes without trying. That is not the case. The longer/harder the fight, the stronger he will become. That certainly does not insure victory, though. That is what Peter David means when he says, "Even with limitless strength one can be powerless."

"he can continue to gain strength forever..."

"he can continue to gain strength forever..."

"he can continue to gain strength forever...rever..ever..ver..er..er.."

In other words, yes, given enough time and "anger", Hulk can
equal any physical display of strength that Living Tribunal shows?

So you're telling me that while all other beings (save Living Tribunal)
have a limit to how much powers, of whatever variety, they can display,
Hulk's powers, namely his strength, can keep increasing indefinitely?

Okay.

If that's what you believe, then obviously your answer to this thread is
no one in the whole damned multiverse save Living Tribunal and
The One Above All, and even then Hulk can eventually match any
physical display of strength that they accomplish.

Debate is not possible.

Originally posted by King Burger
[b]"he can continue to gain strength forever..."

"he can continue to gain strength forever..."

"he can continue to gain strength forever...rever..ever..ver..er..er.."

In other words, yes, given enough time and "anger", Hulk can
equal any physical display of strength that Living Tribunal shows?

So you're telling me that while all other beings (save Living Tribunal)
have a limit to how much powers, of whatever variety, they can display,
Hulk's powers, namely his strength, can keep increasing indefinitely?

Okay.

If that's what you believe, then obviously your answer to this thread is
no one in the whole damned multiverse save Living Tribunal and
The One Above All, and even then Hulk can eventually match any
physical display of strength that they accomplish.

Debate is not possible. [/B]

Nice effects.

That's what I'm saying. Given time and stress, Hulk can match any feat of strength. It's been said and proven throughout comics. After power scanning Hulk, Beyonder himself has said it.

Anyone with the Power Gem can overpower the Hulk no matter how mad he gets. No matter how strong Hulk becomes, the wielder of the Gem will become stronger. THAT is infinite strength. It can never be reached.

Save Beyonder, Drax the Destroyer (w/gem,) Living Tribunal, Infinity Gauntlet, The One Above All, and a few others, Hulk's strength is indomitable.

strenght won't even matter after a huge increase and what is infinite Strenght? there is no such thing.

as you move higher in the MU ranking it doesn't matter how powerful you are physicaly you will still get owned.

There is a such thing as "infinite strength." The ability to lift literally anything, even something with infinite mass.

Originally posted by kgkg
strenght won't even matter after a huge increase and what is infinite Strenght? there is no such thing.

as you move higher in the MU ranking it doesn't matter how powerful you are physicaly you will still get owned.

My point precisely.

Very few earth level charcters are stronger than Hulk...A lot of them are more powerful though..such as Quasar, Magneto, Graviton, etc, etc...

Juggernaut may be the only person to match him in the strength department...seeing as how he can increase his strength as well..Apocolypse is also a factor, however, I hate the fact that he was able to overwhelm Hulk so easily in the War Hulk issue...really silly stuff...I mean freaking X factor took him down..the only person on that team at the time who had any real power was Iceman..and even then he wasn't at his current level of power...

Anyway..Other than Juggs and Apoc..I can't think of Many others..Hulk at his strongest outclasses most earth level supeheroes/villians in the strength department..

Now if we'r talking about non earth level characters they're are quite a few...such as SS, Champion, Gladiator, Thanos, etc, etc.....