I always thought of it as a lack of. I think I agree with Milla there, but also the other guy.
Because while indifference IS an emotion technically, it's not thought of one because it's not as expressive. People are extremely unexpressive when they're indifferent and expression plays a pivotal role in what constitutes an emotion.
When someone's afraid, you know it. When they're in love, you know it. When they're indifferent? Not really.
-AC
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What about indifference? That does not derive from love or hate - and its an emotion.
Indifference is really someone not participating in the live of another or others, I think and so they are indifferent. Why would someone chose to not participate?
To me it would fall into the fear catagory...they have a fear or hate, or feel they're above this or that or someone, which at the root is fearful reactions....You think??
Originally posted by debbiejo
Besides there ARE only 2 emotions...Fear and Love...All others are derived from these.
Are you sure Debbie?
I can't cassify "empathy" and "consience" as love.
Love, or atleast the common type excluding this divinely-inspired
"unconditional love", is a emotion that needs a certain degree of
familiarity to happen.
It's difficult to love a statistic, or a name, or even just a face.
Empathy however is possible in most situations. One can "feel
for another's sufferinf", even if that other is only a face in a
photograph.
Take the famous (or infamous" "Napalm Girl" photograph from
the Vietnam War. No one knew who the girl was, or even her
name, but people felt pity for her. And many Americans felt pain
in their conscience over their nations' responsibility. But none
knew her enough to feel love for her.
Also take the sense of morality, and moral outrage. If I beilieve
that pornography is immoral and a danger to a society's well-being,
any moral outrage I feel over the spread of porn cannot be put
down to love of man, or hatred of the pornographer. there is
another value or ideal at work here.
Originally posted by King Burger
Are you sure Debbie?I can't cassify "empathy" and "consience" as love.
Love, or atleast the common type excluding this divinely-inspired
"unconditional love", is a emotion that needs a certain degree of
familiarity to happen.It's difficult to love a statistic, or a name, or even just a face.
Empathy however is possible in most situations. One can "feel
for another's sufferinf", even if that other is only a face in a
photograph.Take the famous (or infamous" "Napalm Girl" photograph from
the Vietnam War. No one knew who the girl was, or even her
name, but people felt pity for her. And many Americans felt pain
in their conscience over their nations' responsibility. But none
knew her enough to feel love for her.Also take the sense of morality, and moral outrage. If I beilieve
that pornography is immoral and a danger to a society's well-being,
any moral outrage I feel over the spread of porn cannot be put
down to love of man, or hatred of the pornographer. there is
another value or ideal at work here.
Oh empathy is love..it's feeling someone else's pain, it's caring. it's being involved on some level...On the other hand pornography defiantly is out of fear...It's a disregard of human feelings, it's an indifference to the harm you might be inflicting, it could be a hate for yourself or for your own life...which could be a fear that you were never excepted for what you are and so you exploit others....
Well, I guess you are using "love" in a wider sense of
the word.
I am using it to denote a more specific, indentifiable
(to the self) feeling. Not necessarily just towards the
opposite sex, but any just directed feeling of affection
and longing.
About pornography, I was refering to the sense of
moral outrage that one would feel towards it. That
is a feeling not necessarily based on love or hate.
Originally posted by King Burger
Well, I guess you are using "love" in a wider sense of
the word.I am using it to denote a more specific, indentifiable
(to the self) feeling. Not necessarily just towards the
opposite sex, but any just directed feeling of affection
and longing.About pornography, I was refering to the sense of
moral outrage that one would feel towards it. That
is a feeling not necessarily based on love or hate.
The sense of moral outrage is because of fear..Because they are afraid that it would corrupt the minds and lives of others, that it would effect their husband and significant others, that it would destroy communities, that it would lead to the degradation of women. Stuff like that..I don't condone it myself, but it is, in my opinion based on fear..which comes out as hate and outrage..and anger. 🙂
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's basically what I said in my first post. Apathy is the root of evil. Not caring about good or bad, but simply acting out of a nothingness.
I don't think so..
To not know good or evil means you have never understood what society wants you to do and what society does not want you to do...
To understand evil you must first understand what it really is?
What is evil in its most primal form? Can one truly say they are evil?
Everything we humans do is based on a selfish need or desire, the definition of evil is often said as doing something only for yourself, but everything we do is only for us, so his can not be it. Perhaps some help others while trying to help themselves and some do not, but its hardly anything that can be defined as evil...
To be evil you have to do things that society looks down upon, like cold blooded murder, rape, robbery... But what makes those things evil? In our society those things are evil because our society is based on religious laws that say we should all try to live together and help each other not hurt each other. Those things are evil, because that is what we have learned.
However what if we never learned that? What if we would have learned that killing people is a good that raping 4 year old girls helps keep the population steady or whatever.... Would those acts have been evil? Now your first instinct would probably be to say yes, but forget about that for a second. Think then answer, it would not be evil because we would never have learned that it was. There is nothing in our minds telling us something like that is evil or not.
When Hitler send all those Jews to die he thought he was doing the right thing, he was helping the world he was taking revenge for Jesus. When the Romans conquered country after country they thought they were doing the right thing they were spreading democracy, they were doing what they should have done.
When the barbarians destroyed Rome no matter how many people died they did the right thing, because what they did destroyed the brutal evil conquerers.
When Bush invaded Iraq many thought he was doing the right justified thing and many others agree, is he evil or he is a saint because of it?Opinions differ on it, history will eventually tell us more about it, but so far he is both good and evil in different minds.
Osama Bin Laden, one example i have always loved in discussions like this, i hope most people here think that what he did was a cruel sick thing to do. But he sure as hell didn't think so, he thought he was punishing the Americans and he was right to do so. That was his opinion and thousands of people supported him in that opinion who was right who was wrong? Can you honestly tell me that he is evil when the western world is not?
We are both evil we are both good, it all matters on how you look at it. Another fine example is communism, in essence the greatest idea ever. Didn't work, does that make it evil? or does that make it good? And what about the people that practiced it? Evil or good?
We are all evil and all good, we are what people think of us. When an American soldier fights against a Iraqi terrorist he thinks he is doing the right thing. But when an Iraqi freedom fighter is fighting against the brutal savage conquering Americans he thinks he is doing the right thing.
None of them are evil, none of them are wrong or right. Its all the same thing only from difference of opinions. Evil does not excist neither does good. Not in the way we are talking about it here. It all just matters on how you look at it.
Where Does Evil Come From
A Question worthy of asking I do believe that many have been led astray by this topic not once in the Bible does it mention the words free will or anything to state that we do have free will. Many believe that Satan made evil when he sinned, however this is not the case He Merely brought Evil into existence he did don't create it.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and [B]create evil : I the LORD do all these things.
As you can see God create Evil not man not Satan, but God. Why Would God do such a thing I thought God was good? God is good and sometimes good things happen to good people. Suffering Is Good, in its limits of course, for instance 9/11 millions of people were looking for answers that day why Lord, Why they cried and many talked to God that day who either never have, haven't for a while or do constantly. Either way everything is done for a Reason and people flocked back to God when disaster struck so sometimes thats what it takes. If anyone has any comments or question feel free to reply to this.
I still lack a definition of “evil” here.
As Fishy shows with his example, evil is not an absolute. Bardock should drop by and talk about relativity…
As for using ANY religious text to define “good” and “evil”, and not contemplate will never lead to any real understanding. The Bible for example is full of examples of God’s cruelty an violence
Genesis 4:3-5 6:7, 17 15:9-10 Numbers 14:18 etc. Etc. Etc http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
So “holy” books are hardly the place to look for the definitions.
What IS Evil?
Originally posted by The Omega
I still lack a definition of “evil” here.
As Fishy shows with his example, evil is not an absolute. Bardock should drop by and talk about relativity…As for using ANY religious text to define “good” and “evil”, and not contemplate will never lead to any real understanding. The Bible for example is full of examples of God’s cruelty an violence
Genesis 4:3-5 6:7, 17 15:9-10 Numbers 14:18 etc. Etc. Etc http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
So “holy” books are hardly the place to look for the definitions.
What IS Evil?
Evil is just as easy to understand as good is.