God and Evil is in the eye's of man, caterogizing something as absolute positive (A action that gives) to negative (A action that takes away) is foolish because sometimes it falls into both, Take a wolf it kills which is a negative reaction (because it's prey loses it's life), and feeds of it's flesh which is a positive reaction ( The flesh gives life) there fore that kill was first negative then positive. Good and evil is a perspective it isn't organized like positive and negative, for instance killing may be regarded as evil but as I just explained it can changed.
Originally posted by vaya_the_elftrue, but how can you define 'evil'? Things are only wrong and 'evil' when someone says they are.
Where does evil come from?I went to sunday school, and there were talking about evil as their topic. Found it very interesting.
They say evil comes from Free will.
What I mean is the god created us, and he gave us free will.
Since he gave us free will, some of us made some really bad choices which made evil.
The only way god could make evil go away is by giving up our free will. Then we would not be able to really love god, or anything else because love is a choice. Making someone do it is not love.
What do you think?
That might of been a bit off-topic, sorry 😂
I didn't read all the pages so I don't know if someone already brought this up or not.
But evil comes from good!!!
Without good there is no evil, without evil there is no good. without dark there is no ligght, without light there is no dark. You can test this theory out all you want and it will NEVER fail.
Whoa, some of those theories. Didn't Pandora open the box? He opened it and out came life, he wated more life so he opened it again but out came death right? Deathn isn't evil, death is good, without death there is no life yadda yadda yadda.
God may have put the tree there for animals, not everything is made for humans. An animal is not the property of a human just like women are not the property of men and blacks not of whites. That was the effect of a female philosophers quote from back in WWII.
Anyway. Oh yeah. Evil can't be bad if it is to hurt someone. To bring death will put someone in some sort of pain, mental mainly (Probably). And death must happen.
well some say that evil comes from god.
but i have 2 ideas myself on where it comes from.
#1.
"This is the Book of the Dead.
Legend has it, that it was written by
the dark ones: NECRONOMICON EX MORTIS
Roughly translated...The Book of the Dead.
To trace the origin of the Book, we
must go back...back...to a day when
spirits ruled the earth.
When the seas ran red with blood.
It was this blood that was used to ink
the book.
the Book was scripted in a strange hieroglyphic.
The Book of the Dead was last seen
in 1300 A.D."
and #2
"everybody poops, potty training for the toddler"
Re: Where does evil come from?
Originally posted by vaya_the_elf
Where does evil come from?
The human mind. Human beings attach the value of evil to things when they perceive them. So evil is always relative to the person assigning the value. A Christian would say that God is the absolute frame of reference, and that whatever God deems is evil is evil. Socrates had a fieldday with a similar concept millennia ago.
I went to sunday school, and there were talking about evil as their topic. Found it very interesting.They say evil comes from Free will.
If you accept the idea of causation, there is no free will. If you believe that God is the First Mover and the First Cause, then he created everything via his own machinations, including the ability to do evil. If you believe that God did not create evil, you need to read the scripture closer, and reevaluate your premise.
And of course, if God is not the First Mover, he's not really God in the strictest sense; just a more powerful entity also playing to the strings of... whatever.
But while I have the floor, I'd like to point out that even if we can attack causation itself (By citing that the thing that neccessitates actions cannot be observed), every explanation in human history presupposes causation. So obviously, if we intend to make an explanation, causation will be involved. If God is in the equation, God is the First Mover, and thus made all things which are subject to his will/whim. Therefore, evil comes from God. You cannot divorce him from the responsibility of his actions since he is not caused by anything, nor are his actions. If they are, he is not God.
What I mean is the god created us, and he gave us free will.
Going with the argument that God made man with free will, how do we define free will? How can we prove that it exists? When you act on something, you're acting on a foundation of past experience, emotions, and knowledge. A multitude of factors you couldn't compute in a lifetime existed up to and during the point of decision... how can you say that you are uncoerced or uninfluenced in -any- decision? I don't see how it works that way. Saying that the "will" is free and somehow above the basic assumption of causation that we apply to the physical world is giving it a definition, but not being able to fulfil that definition via knowledge of the thing in the real world.
Since he gave us free will, some of us made some really bad choices which made evil.
I paid $2.85 for gas today when I could have paid $2.84 across the street. Was that an evil choice? Is freedom somehow leading to evil? So then in this case, conformity and lack of choice would be good, since one could not "stray" from the righteous. Or is it more than just free will? Is it lack of knowledge? Arrogance? What is it that constitutes making an evil action against another living thing? If I had to sum it up, I'd say it was lack of empathy, since empathy tends to promote feelings of respect and kindness for other beings. Perhaps this is why we smash flies, but couldn't imagine smashing a gorilla or cat for entertainment. Well, most of us.
The only way god could make evil go away is by giving up our free will. Then we would not be able to really love god, or anything else because love is a choice. Making someone do it is not love.What do you think?
I disagree that love is a choice. Love itself is gutteral, primal, and unpredictable. You don't look at Person X or Person Y and go "I will love this person"; there's no real choice involved. That person just happens to spark something in you, and those strong feelings of attachment (In the positive sense) you call love. You cannot choose to alter their nature to fit your own likes, and you can't change your likes so that they fit them. That being said, you have no control over the actual attachment. Likewise, when you hate someone, it's the same attachment, but in a negative sense. You cannot really stop hating someone for who they are or what they're doing either.
Really, what it bottoms down to is that God, assuming there is free will, created it with everything else and is responsible for it since he's the only one in the universe free of causation. Personally, I don't think there's any grounds to assume there's free will. Causation, for all its faults, is far more plausible, even if impossible to determine as absolutely true.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Evil comes from our view of what is [B]different then ourselves...It's always the "Others", and not us........We have labeled it evil, heretical or satanic just as it has always been. [/B]
I disagree with this. Wearing a rubberband on your left thumb is different. I don't consider that "evil" because it is different. The word doesn't fit the problem.
Originally posted by debbiejo
People always label things/people evil that aren't necessarily evil though....It's just a term.......It's subjective again........I hate that word. 🙁
People label things stupid that aren't stupid, or funny that isn't funny. Really, what people label evil isn't the issue simply because of "difference". Although it is true that things perceived as different are more likely to be considered evil in the case of ignorance, different and evil are not swappable.