the holy bible is it changble ?

While watching the TV there was a subject on "modernizing the church"

people say that the church is to in the past and that its out of touch with modern society.But because the church is based on a hundereds of years old book its obvious that as time changes the book will lose its touch BUT you cant change the bible (even though its been done) because your not alowed IT says so and if it was the word of god it wouldnt need changed.Anywhoo people say the bible should accept gay priests, the vatican says no because the bible forbids it so if the bible says NO how can people argue that because times changed the church should change the bible was not made up so it could change every couple of years to stay populer.So how then can people read the bible and think this is the word of God when its being changed ever so slightly now and no doubt was throught the dark ages ?

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I've done some research on the changes of the bible and there have been some already.

like it is now called the fairy tale of the middle east part I and II?

Your points are valid Grand Moff Gav.

Basically, if one genuinely believes that this is the word of God,
then he wouldn't want or approve of any chanegs to it. In fact,
he'd sooner change society to match the words.

By contrast, anyone who wants the words changes to that they
match the current culture or society, obviously doesn't believe
that they are the words of God, in which case we must ask, why
would he care? Why is he still calling himself a "christian" (or
whatever other religion)?

One more point: Alot of these people calling for change in the
church are obviously arrogant, ego-centric, selfish a**holes, since
they want a whole religion to change in order to suit their own
world-view, or that of their society, completely ignoring the fact
that this same church is also the church of countless other peoples
and nations, who may like the church as it is.

For example, maybe many Americans want the Catholic church to
change and allow gays in the ministry, but how about the Catholics
in Africa or South America (who are much more numerous than
American Catholics, and more devout too), would they approve?

In my opinion ALL holy books have been changed at some point and to certain degrees, because for most part, the holy books have been written AFTER the ''prophets'' have died.

I have to agree with King Burger. It is inconsiderate to change the Bible. If you no long agree with it then don't follow it. People are going to what they want anyway. I think the "Holy Books" should be left alone, unless you are making them more readable by putting it in a modern language. I think we have too many versions as it is, though most of the changes have been small. In some cases though, the changes have really changed some meanings.

I agree.

People wanted power and they wanted to manipulate religion to suit them. Sad but true...I think we can see that in the many contradictions.

...and Jesus walked on water, Peter said "Awesome".

But seriously, I like the idea of this thread.

I've seen and heard to many "religious" followers basically using the "I think what God MEANT to say was..." route out of being wrong.

Like I (and Milla also) said in another thread, also in this one. If you look at all religions ideals and prophets etc, they all really hit upon the same idea. When profit (not necessarily material) came into it, people realised that if people followed a book or beliefs, they'd follow a person. Thus the manipulation began.

-AC

i agree with changes.
think of some of the shit in the bible.
In one part (i'll look it up for all doubters so you know where)
it says if a man is to rape a woman,she is to marry him.
now it might have been in the old testiment but the bottom line is,is that something you belive?

If you don't believe it, then don't follow it.

But don't change the religion to follow your beliefs.

Many people in traditional societies believe that if
an man has sex with a woman, he should marry
her. Now, maybe you don't agree, but many people
believe that as well.

That point is, whether you follow a religion or not,
whether you follow specific aspects of the religion or
not, is not the eligion's problem. It shouldn't change
to suite your needs (I use "you" generically).

i dont follow it im just fed up up with it

It must be changable, as it has been changed ever since its inception. It's fiction anyway...who cares?

it the best fiction book ever in term of sales but i think God Jesus and the Saints are just symbols. Symbols for people who feal there is a need to justify the excistance (sp)

the bible was in a state of constant change for a very long time.
but all the sudden the masses take everything for being factual.
with all the text we have now from nag hamadi and everything people still want to be closed minded

They have changed it but kept in text it is suppose to be in .And it says if you take any words from this book you canot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Originally posted by mr.smiley
i agree with changes.
think of some of the shit in the bible.
In one part (i'll look it up for all doubters so you know where)
it says if a man is to rape a woman,she is to marry him.
now it might have been in the old testiment but the bottom line is,is that something you belive?

I think that was in concordance with Jewish law that if a woman were found in adultery she would be stoned;it was meant to prevent her from being harmed-- but, I don't believe that. Jesus(if you believe in him of course) came down to earth to change many things, some of which were in the Old Testimment; i.e. sacrificing a lamb to cover ones sin, and also forgiveness.
That can pertain quite well to the woman in adultary whom he forgave.

I think it says in the book of Revelations, that if you change one word you will suffer the same plagues...But that is for the book of Rev.

I think what they basically mean is you can't change the meaning of the scriptures to false teaching or for your own benefit.

Sometimes when people would translate the bible to a different language they would make mistakes. That is completely understandable and they would usually be able to find the mistake and correct it.

If you look at the mormons or seventh day adventists, they have made some odd changes to the bible, for their own religious gain and what not.