"How would Juggernaut win. She's too fast. He can't land a single hit"
On the other hand, if this is a juggernaut well written like classic Marvel, her punches arent going to do alot. With his force field on, even Thor couldnt hurt him.
And Wonder Woman both in strenght and powers is sligthy below him.
Classic Juggernaut either pulls a win or a stalemate. He wont lose.
Originally posted by RogerRamjet
Jugs is unstoppable...Wonder Woman though can match speed and strengh with the best of 'em..the way i see it...she has the advantage of flight...she'll pick up Jugs fly him over to the deepest spot in the ocean..drops the sucker...and makes it home just in time for tea and biscuits...
Unstoppable...yet got his ass handed to him by five mutant teenagers. 😮
The above scenario is plausible enough.
Originally posted by olympian
"How would Juggernaut win. She's too fast. He can't land a single hit"On the other hand, if this is a juggernaut well written like classic Marvel, her punches arent going to do alot. With his force field on, even Thor couldnt hurt him.
And Wonder Woman both in strenght and powers is sligthy below him.
Classic Juggernaut either pulls a win or a stalemate. He wont lose.
Sorry for double post:
This is one of the few battles where Diana's skills and powers are rendered rather ineffective. She can knock him all she wants. It wouldn't do much except cause massive worldwide property damage. Thus she only has three options:
1) Use the Godwave
2) Hog-tie Juggernaut with the lasso
3) Knock off his helmet and have the Invisible Plane mind**** him.
HOWEVER Diana isn't gonna "lose" here folks. He may land a blow or two. But that's it. He's WAYYYYY to slow for Wondie. So the odds of Juggernaut knocking out Diana is nil.
This either ends in a draw (if Diana cannot somehow immobolize him or knock him out thus ending the battle since Juggs wouldn't be able to land a hand on her) or a win for Diana.
"1) Use the Godwave
2) Hog-tie Juggernaut with the lasso
3) Knock off his helmet and have the Invisible Plane mind**** him."
While using the Godwave might work, remember that a Godblast didnt do anything to him. Something to take into consideration.
The lasso its another thing that would probably work.
The last one i dont agree at all. Juggernaut doesnt get weaker or less durable without his helmet. Just vulnerable to tp attacks. The force field however will still be on if he desires. It doesnt depend on the helmet.
The only time Thor went at him and punched Jugs, was the one time the writter made him " forget about the force field ". Even with that, he wasent beaten. We are assuming both characters are written at theyr best.
Diana can summon the Godwave without being sure it will work. Or she can play safe and use the lasso. In those conditions she can take it.
Either way, if she plays physical, even she is alot faster, wont do any good.
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"A CRIPPLED teacher and Five teenagers. For god's sake all he had to do was WALK through them."
A teacher that, crippled or not has the right powerset to deal with the opponent.
In Wonder Woman`s case, even she takes the helmet off, what is she going to do? She doesnt have the power to eliminate the threat. Xavier does.
Originally posted by olympian
While using the Godwave might work, remember that a Godblast didnt do anything to him. Something to take into consideration [B]
Unfortunately for Juggernaut the Godblast focuses Thor's godly essences into a blast.
The Godwave is the primodial creation for ALL GODs and even the multiverse itself
No contest.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]The lasso its another thing that would probably work. [B]
It would work. Juggernaut is incredibly dim. He's such a boasting ass he would LET it wrap around him just to boost his own ego.
Originally posted by olympian
[B] The last one i dont agree at all. Juggernaut doesnt get weaker or less durable without his helmet. Just vulnerable to tp attacks. The force field however will still be on if he desires. It doesnt depend on the helmet.[B]
The Invisible Plane beat MM in telepathic combat. So......
True removing the helmet wouldn't hurt make him weaker...however it will make him more vulnerable to telepathic attacks. And when WW summons the Invisible Plane Juggs is gonna get a hell of headache.
And don't say WW cannot knock of the helmet. It has happened so many times by lesser characters.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]The only time Thor went at him and punched Jugs, was the one time the writter made him " forget about the force field ". Even with that, he wasent beaten. We are assuming both characters are written at theyr best[B]
In my opinion Thor was not written at his best since despite his vastly superior reflexes and faster than lightspeed flight speed Juggs was still manhandling him.
Diana at her best would evade every single attack and strategize a win.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]Diana can summon the Godwave without being sure it will work. [B]
Godblast is NOT equal to Godwave. Not even close. The Godblast channels Thor's magical essences. The Godwave is the primodial creation-jumpstarting power.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]Or she can play safe and use the lasso. In those conditions she can take it. [B]
Yep.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]Either way, if she plays physical, even she is alot faster, wont do any good. [B]
Agreed. After hours of knocking Juggs all over the place Diana will use other methods...which would guarantee her a win.
Originally posted by olympian
[B]And of course a stalemate its always a possibility. Magic attacks or not.
If somehow or someway NOTHING works... it's a stalemate. Diana has tried everything. And Juggs simply cannot land a hit against a near-lightspeed opponent with flight.
"Unfortunately for Juggernaut the Godblast focuses Thor's godly essences into a blast.
The Godwave is the primodial creation for ALL GODs and even the multiverse itself
No contest."
I let the possibility open because frankly i dont remember much about the Godwave. Can you provide a good example of how it looks like and the damage for me to check out.
" It would work. Juggernaut is incredibly dim. He's such a boasting ass he would LET it wrap around him just to boost his own ego. "
That depends on the writter. Ill just say if the lasso is written as good as it should be it can work.
"The Invisible Plane beat MM in telepathic combat. So......
True removing the helmet wouldn't hurt make him weaker...however it will make him more vulnerable to telepathic attacks. And when WW summons the Invisible Plane Juggs is gonna get a hell of headache"
Dont agree with this part. In my opinion Classic Juggernaut, its simply the high level brick with the best durability. At least in the way he was shown and written more than once. If he takes a full godblast without any kind of post injury or without showing any kind of strees out of it, a plane wont do any damage, headaches included. About the MM tp defeat, what issue was that in.
"In my opinion Thor was not written at his best since despite his vastly superior reflexes and faster than lightspeed flight speed Juggs was still manhandling him.
Diana at her best would evade every single attack and strategize a win."
When your facing someone who at this level was virtually never physically hurt, it doesnt matter much if you are faster. His durability will soak it all. The other chance would be if he would get tired. And he doesnt at this level.
Btw Draco. You have anything about " War of the Gods " ? The whole premise seems interesting, even i know most of it was badly executed. I heard Hercules was stated to have held the earth like Atlas did, is that true?
Originally posted by olympianI let the possibility open because frankly i dont remember much about the Godwave. Can you provide a good example of how it looks like and the damage for me to check out.
It's not really a blast or anything like that. It's actually closer to the Phoenix Force. Actually it's exactly the same as the 1980 retcon Phoenix Force.
Once when Diana channeled the Godwave she managed to teleport the Earth to another dimension. When she channeled the Godwave she was in touch with every living being in the multiverse. Also the Godwave is used by the Presence itself since Chronos desired it. And destroyed half of heaven for it.
However she cannot use this for long since it would drive her mad. And a mad Godwave wielding Diana wouldn't be fun
" It would work. Juggernaut is incredibly dim. He's such a boasting ass he would LET it wrap around him just to boost his own ego. "
Originally posted by olympian
That depends on the writter. Ill just say if the lasso is written as good as it should be it can work.
Come on. Juggs has a HUGE ego. He sees a bikini-wielding woman wielding a shiny rope he'll let wrap around him without resistence. He's AlWAYS been an ass.
"The Invisible Plane beat MM in telepathic combat. So......
True removing the helmet wouldn't hurt make him weaker...however it will make him more vulnerable to telepathic attacks. And when WW summons the Invisible Plane Juggs is gonna get a hell of headache"
Originally posted by olympian
Dont agree with this part. In my opinion Classic Juggernaut, its simply the high level brick with the best durability. At least in the way he was shown and written more than once. If he takes a full godblast without any kind of post injury or without showing any kind of strees out of it, a plane wont do any damage, headaches included. About the MM tp defeat, what issue was that in.
You don't understand. The IP has uber-telepathy. Which Juggs is incredibly vulnerable to. And Juggs cannot do anything about since the IP is virtually undetectable.
Originally posted by olympian
Btw Draco. You have anything about " War of the Gods " ? The whole premise seems interesting, even i know most of it was badly executed. I heard Hercules was stated to have held the earth like Atlas did, is that true?
The avatar/real god thing was kinda badly executed.
Everything Hercules did in greek myth DC Hercules did as well. Except for the whole poisoned shirt killing him.
So yes DC Hercules has lifted the Earth for a brief time. Which suggests Diana can do better.