its a matter of role models WD.
gangsta rappers are pushed onto the public as role models
and nobody dares challenge them. i even saw a particular commercial selling bikes to kids...guess who stars in it...snoop dog.
its not the music itself, which is just a form of expression.
the danger is in the way it is allowed to be part of our kids' lives,
or more to the point, the way record/fashion/media companies are allowed
to push it onto kids. just because something isnt the direct cause of the problem, does not mean it should be encouraged and served to children along side their cocoa puffs in the morning.
porn is not the cause for promiscuous sex, teen pregnancy, V.D. etc. but does that mean its ok to sit your kid down in from of the TV and pop in 'debbie does dallas'?
especially in the u.s. we have been breeding a culture of pimps, whores, junkies, thugs, and murderers. not just a matter of having them exist in society, but rather hoisting criminals on our shoulders and saying "we love you" and telling our kids "this is what it is to be cool." thats the big difference.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
By media i meant film/music industries.And yeah, i think Music and Film can be blamed for an increase in crime. If every artist is singing about shooting, it will be seen to be cool, and theres always the select few who will copy.
See you're getting into a whole different argument here. Is called "Life immitating art". You can't really put the blame on music or movies or video games for crimes committed in the streets. Any song or any film that has violence as a subject cannot be held responsible for criminal acts. Copycats? you mean the knuckle heads who uses the lame excuse of saying "I saw it in a movie don't blame me". Nope, that don't work and cops know that these people are looking for ways to justified their actions. It doesn't work...
Originally posted by PVS
its a matter of role models WD.
gangsta rappers are pushed onto the public as rold models
and nobody dare challenges them. ever see the commercial selling bikes to
kids...guess whos in it...snoop dog.
So what if he is selling bikes? That's how he makes his money using his image. Snoop Dogg is nothing more than an entertainer. Sure he grew up in the harsh streets of Long Beach. But he is far from being a gangster or whatever. Is an image and he can't be held resposible for some idiot out there that thinks he is all gangsta and goes out and shoots at people. Quit pointing fingers at the wrong people.
Originally posted by WindDancer
So what if he is selling bikes? That's how he makes his money using his image. Snoop Dogg is nothing more than an entertainer. Sure he grew up in the harsh streets of Long Beach. But he is far from being a gangster or whatever. Is an image and he can't be held resposible for some idiot out there that thinks he is all gangsta and goes out and shoots at people. Quit pointing fingers at the wrong people.
snoop dog is a member of the crips (not 'was' a member)
he was a crack dealer and a thug. im not pointing the finger at the wrong person. do some research on that one.
as i said in another thread, i pass no judgement on him. he probably just did what he had to do to survive. but how should he be a role model?
Originally posted by PVS
especially in the u.s. we have been breeding a culture of pimps, whores, junkies, thugs, and murderers. not just a matter of having them exist in society, but rather hoisting criminals on our shoulders and saying "we love you" and telling our kids "this is what it is to be cool." thats the big difference.
All those things are social problems. We'd had these problems for decades. There were no violent movies back then or violent music yet we have these issues today. So is really music and movies and video games responsible? Nope.
Originally posted by WindDancer
All those things are social problems. We'd had these problems for decades. There were no violent movies back then or violent music yet we have these issues today. So is really music and movies and video games responsible? Nope.
winddancer, please read the entirety of my post...this part:
"...hoisting criminals on our shoulders and saying "we love you" and telling our kids "this is what it is to be cool." thats the big difference."
thats my point. they are looked up to now as heros, and media/fashion companies encourage this...no...they BANK on it
its going to happen anyway innkeeper. artists will capitalise on all things taboo and kids will always listen to exactly what their parents tell then to not listen to.
the point i make is that for the first time, this thug culture shit is being backed by the top media labels in the country as well as the fashion industry. they are being mass marketed, blatently aimed at kids.
Originally posted by PVS
winddancer, please read the entirety of my post...this part:
"...hoisting criminals on our shoulders and saying "we love you" and telling our kids "this is what it is to be cool." thats the big difference."thats my point. they are looked up to now as heros, and media/fashion companies encourage this...no...they BANK on it
You don't have to tell me to read it. Once is enough to read. What I'm pointing out is that you cannot mixing in music (in this case hip-hop) with social problems that date back to the 1900's. There was prostitution back then, there was shootings, there were pimps back then. But guess what? There was no hip hop music back then. Nowadays kids do make these singers into idols. The problem here is not the artists but rather the careless parents who do not supervise or even talk to their kids about violence and reality. Once again every act committed by a kid is trace back to the resposibiltiy of the parent NOT the Music artist.
You cant blame the parents.
I know from a good friend you cant blame parents, his dad died after lotsa men attacked him. His mam told him never to fight, so he didnt end up like his dad or like the men who did it to his dad.
Then he found Rap, and since then he has changed into the biggest white ganster since Al Capone.
Originally posted by The InkeeperThen he found Rap, and since then he has changed into the biggest white ganster since Al Capone.
seeing that name just got me thinking...amazing how times change isnt it?
when al capone was convicted they threw his ass in alcatraz.
today they would have given him a record deal, a line of clothing, and a TV show 😬
Originally posted by WindDancer
You don't have to tell me to read it. Once is enough to read. What I'm pointing out is that you cannot mixing in music (in this case hip-hop) with social problems that date back to the 1900's.
Are you actually comparing the social culture of violence and promescuity of the late 1800's and early 1900's to today and claiming that they occur with equal prevalence?
I agree with PVS. We have glamourized the culture of criminality and made it desirable to kids. Corporations, the media and parents are all equally to blame.
Corporations manufacture products and lifestyles (such as the slutty girl image or the gangsta image and all the products to which each are associated) to sell to kids. The media promotes these images and products to kids and parents buy them for the kids.
At least the corporation and the media do it for money, parents are guilty of just being passive and lazy.
I saw an interview on t.v. where a reporter asked a store manager if she thought it was appropriate to sell lace bras to 8 year old girls. The manager replied that it's o.k. because it's the parents that buy them and if there was no demand she wouldn't sell them. She then said it makes the little girls feel sexy, but that they don't have to have sex to be sexy. If no one can see the monumental problem with this, then we are all doomed.
Originally posted by PVS
seeing that name just got me thinking...amazing how times change isnt it?
when al capone was convicted they threw his ass in alcatraz.
today they would have given him a record deal, a line of clothing, and a TV show 😬
It's so funny. yet so sad because it's true.
My nephew thinks it's cool that fifty cent has been shot nine times. I think that all it means is that after 9 attempts fifty is too stupid to realize he's hangin' out with the wrong people and that there are 9 guys out there with pretty bad aim.
well i remember i played mortal combat when i was eight and i got scared from that game so much that i even refuse to go in that room for 2 weeks. Now eight year olds play GTA like its super mario. Times have changed, a game like GTA 10 years ago would be banned. Note i have the game and play it and like it but society changed a lot from ten years ago. In ten years i don't want to even imagine how 14 year old high school girls would look like. Its changing fast but some see it as society becoming more open, however there has to be a limit.
well, i see no harm in video games in that there is no message about what is cool and who you should be like. you are just a bunch of pixels blowing up other pixels...and thats that. some people are sick in the head and use these games as an outlet for their deranged feelings, but is that the fault of the game? and does taking such games away help solve that problem?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
And I disagree, not everyone is able to mount a defensive or offensive physical attack.
Within reason you're wrong.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Talk about sanctimonius, you take the cake my friend. And no, I don't have a problem coming to terms with your pontificating and posturing so that you can try to impress people how you are so above the human condition. I just think it's funny that such a young kid thinks that he has all the answers in the world and tries to reinforce his beliefs by argueing his case constantly whenever possible.
I think that's funny too. Who's doing it? Oh....oh you were referring to me?
First off all, don't be so hypocritical as to talk to me of being disrespectful then call me a young kid. Second, stop telling yourself false reasons why I believe what I do purely because you can not come up with any good reason to why I SHOULDN'T feel that way.
-AC
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Are you actually comparing the social culture of violence and promescuity of the late 1800's and early 1900's to today and claiming that they occur with equal prevalence?I agree with PVS. We have glamourized the culture of criminality and made it desirable to kids. Corporations, the media and parents are all equally to blame.
Corporations manufacture products and lifestyles (such as the slutty girl image or the gangsta image and all the products to which each are associated) to sell to kids. The media promotes these images and products to kids and parents buy them for the kids.
At least the corporation and the media do it for money, parents are guilty of just being passive and lazy.
I saw an interview on t.v. where a reporter asked a store manager if she thought it was appropriate to sell lace bras to 8 year old girls. The manager replied that it's o.k. because it's the parents that buy them and if there was no demand she wouldn't sell them. She then said it makes the little girls feel sexy, but that they don't have to have sex to be sexy. If no one can see the monumental problem with this, then we are all doomed.
My point (again) is that prior to any of the stuff we have today that we consider a "bad influence". Society had already face social issues like prostitution, drug addiction, murder, etc..etc... What I see today is that people tend to blame crime and violence on music, movies, and video games. In fact what they're doing is looking to blame something else for the problem rather than look into ourselves.
Yes, we all know that corporation do it for money and for profit. What's new? We've known this for years. Is it going to stop? Of course not! So a rapper signs a million dollar contract with a major recording studio to sell gangsta rap. So what? He is doing it for the business. He is getting pay for that. Thats his method of earning money. Just like you earn your money when you go to work. In the end the parents are responsible for their kids. If a parent cannot control his kid then other options must be taken. But to continue to pound Music, Movies, and Video Games leads to only one thing....and that is censorship. Which of course is the major tool of anyone that wants to dictate someone else.