Revan Vs Sidious

Started by Darth_Nefarus5 pages

Well, okay. Anakin still chose his own path and it is his fault. But, the council could have shown more wisdom in his training. I mean, they never explained to him why things worked the way they did. They just said, this is it, you don't get anything else. They should have realized (more so) that he was special, and if the force created him, the will of the force was his ally. Therefore, Mace or Yoda should have trained him. Not Obi-Wan, who had become a knight moments before he was allowed to train Anakin.

Sidious.

Alright, I'm gonna go do some research on both opponents like I did for Obi-Wan and Dooku vs Revan before I post...

Sids

Revan definaly wins.

i dont think so at all.

well that is your opinion. (even if it is wrong)

ha ha(funny) well to be honest with you, i dont know much about revan, but i know much about sidious, and i just think he's too damn powerful.
he beats yoda and mace windu in the same movie! lol, come on.

Revan kills at least a hundred Sith in one game. come on. he is taught by some of the KOTOR-era's greatest master twice. His teacher beat Mace on in tier 1 of the failed Megatournament Project.

I stand by Sidious

and until they fight, im as right as you are.

I will find something to supert him one day. (super drama)

lol

Here we go. This is very long.

Darth Sidious

- There is no question that Sidious is powerful, as he is the Dark Lord of the Sith in each Star Wars movie. Darth Sidious was able to keep his Force presence completely masked while sitting as next door neighbor to the entire council of the Jedi Order (it's obvious, I know, but it's still important to note that each individual council member is considered to be very strong, and together, they're immensely powerful). The Dark Side's energies flow through Sidious' body so powerfully that he has to rely on clone bodies, switching his essence into them through ancient Sith magic. Supposedly, after his 'death' on the second Death Star, through sheer strength of will, Sidious was able to retain his identity in the Force, cross space as a spirit, and enter another clone. He was able to conjure a Force storm powerful enough to rip Luke Skywalker from one place and put him on another planet. StarWars.com itself considers Sidious to be the 'the most powerful practitioner of the Sith ways in modern times.' Apparently, Sidious also has control of a Kyber crystal, which furthers his powers.
- In terms of training, we have no basis other than the fact that Sidious was trained by the previous Dark Lord, and I'm assuming that with all that Sidious has done, he was a competent teacher at the least. It's unknown if Sidious ever began as Jedi; I doubt it. Darth Sidious studied the Sith ruins on Korriban and unlocked secrets from a stolen Jedi holocron, so it's safe to assume Sidious' knowledge of the Dark Side, and the Force in general, is very high.

- Sidious' skill with a lightsaber is unknown. We know he does indeed attack Mace Windu and at least two other Jedi with one, but what happens in that fight is hazy; the trailer decided to cut that scene off at his charge. It's commonly accepted that Sidious slays the Jedi accompanying Mace, but it's argued whether or not Sidious is truly defeated by Windu or merely feigns a loss. We will have to see. However, I would say that the killing of the other Jedi is not truly a feat, as all the Jedi at Geonosis were slain due to inadequate abilities in general; their ability to perform in a lightsaber duel would be even less, so Sidious' victory over them isn't impressive. It's his fight with Windu that would truly be his benchmark, but we don't know how that goes. Not everything that happens was planned by Sidious -- Maul's death being case in point.

- In the movies, Sidious is almost the epitome of cunning and strategy. He planned his overthrow of the Republic decades in advance and swiftly dealt with any set-backs he encountered (Maul's death). He effectively employed underlings (Dooku) and even dealt with anyone that may be able to throw off his plans (Maul was once sent to deal with the Black Sun).

- As far as feats go, Sidious overthrew the Republic. He is, in fact, the only one to do it, and he did it through deceit and illusion. Sidious once caused a massive Force storm that transplanted Luke Skywalker from one place to another. Sidious seduced Maul, Dooku, and Anakin to the Dark Side, but it is arguable that Dooku wasn't difficult and Anakin... well, Jake Lloyd could've done it just as well.

Darth Revan

- Again, as a Dark Lord of the Sith, Revan is immensely powerful and considered to be one the most powerful of all time. According to another Sith Lord, Traya, he was power incarnate, looking at him was like "staring into the heart of the Force." He was strong enough to cause the entire Jedi Order to tremble. He was able to activate and take control of the Star Forge, a powerful Dark Side artifact, and survived the incredible Dark Side powers of Malachor V. Even after his mind was wiped, Revan regained his control of the Force extremely quickly, and the new Revan is perhaps the quickest Jedi ever trained next to Luke Skywalker.

- Revan's knowledge most likely matches or exceeds that of Darth Sidious. In a time when the Sith were very prominent, Revan not only studied every shred of knowledge the Jedi had to offer, but also studied ancient Sith holocrons, was taught by another powerful Dark Lord in a well of Dark Side energy on Malachor V, and visited Korriban as Sidious did. Knowledge was Darth Revan's fetish and it's likely he knew Sith magic as well.

- With a lightsaber, Revan is extremely dangerous. Already powerful and in control, he also has the ancient Sith holocron of Tulak Hord, the greatest lightsaber duelist to have ever lived. In addition, Revan is extremely experienced in lightsaber dueling, doing it on a regular basis and always emerging as victor.

- Tactically, Revan was a military genius. He is the almost sole reason the Republic won the Mandalorian War and very nearly destroyed the Republic despite Bastila's powerful morale controlling ability. During the Sith War, Revan purposefully left the Republic's infrastructure intact, so that even if he lost, he'd leave it stronger and more capable. He also utilized underlings like Sidious, particularly HK-47, to assassinate any destabilizing entities.

- Feats wise, Revan found and dominated the Star Forge, survived the Dark Side energies of Malachor V, converted many, many Jedi and half of the Republic fleet to his side, single-handedly defeated the leader of the Mandalorians and his army, and would have dominated the Republic, without destroying, through brute force, no subterfuge required. Arguably, Revan destroyed the Old Sith Empire, leaving the next truly dangerous Dark Lord of the Sith to be a mere Republic official - Sidious.
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Wow, actually, I'm surprised. I was halfway sure that Sidious would actually trump Revan, but in the end, I really think that a one on one fight would end with Darth Revan as the victor.

Darth Revan wins.

Just a tidbit, Revan defeated Yusanis, the legendary Echani warrior, in melee combat.

Nothing? No arguments? C'mon!

You're right. What's to argue?

I admit, Revan did a lot more and fought more people, defeated more people etc. but that doesn't make him more powerful, despite having the experience edge.

Obi-Wan had a lot more experience than Anakin, but Anakin was still more powerful.

revan wuld win

Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
I admit, Revan did a lot more and fought more people, defeated more people etc. but that doesn't make him more powerful, despite having the experience edge.

Obi-Wan had a lot more experience than Anakin, but Anakin was still more powerful.

And Obi still defeated Anakin.

Like said, Revan has more knowledge and experience.

He has fought far more Sith, Jedi, Mandelorians and Republic soldiers then Sidious even knew existed. Revan faced Jedi on a regular bases, killing them with ease.

When you see Revan on his ship before Malak blows it to bits you see that he casually chokes a Republic officer. Ignites his lightsaber only at the last minute, and is facing at least 4 Jedi Masters (yes masters, the council on Dantooine said so themselves. Only the most powerful went there to capture Revan, Bastila was there because of her battle meditation.)

Because Revan is very calm and a tactical genius you can easily assume he allowed those Jedi to board his ship to capture or kill Bastila and destroy the last chance the Republic has at winning. Not to mention if he wouldn't want them to have come on his bridge he could have either shot them out of the sky in the approach to his ship, or send a shit load of Dark Jedi there to kill the Jedi that landed. Seeing as all of them look relatively good and like they haven't been fighting a lot and because Bastila is still alive you can assume he did no such thing.

Revan let them come onto his ship, and stood there normally facing four Masters and Bastila, with only one lightsaber when we know he's capable with two as well. Which bring more power.

Not to mention that Revan did not join the fight from the start, which would have given him a great edge would he indeed have feared them. No he knew what he was doing and he just smiled at it. Fearing nothing not even those masters who were probably great and powerful Jedi Masters all highly skilled with a lightsaber (with the exception of Basitla of course)

This alone shows me that Revan was indeed a brilliant fighter and tactician and was no stranger to using people for him either. Would it not have been for Malak he would have had Bastila dead or as a member of the Sith and he would have crushed the republic even easier.

There is just no way Sidious could pull something like that off. Revan wins this fight, he has more experience knowledge and is a greater fighter

im too lazy, and dont care enough to argue with facts.

i could, but id rather be imature about it.

Sidious would win, because Revan is a big dumb idiot-face. ha ha! 💃 💃