Revenge of the Sith- Oscars? (Merged)

Originally posted by tlbauerle
I know...but sorry...bullet time (at least the non-CGI bullettime) was even more revolutionary than what was done on TPM. It just was.

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The problem is that the Academy doesn't differentiate between CGI characters and better looking CGI characters...and rightly so.

Well, if they don't differentiate between CG characters and better looking CG characters, why do they differentiate between bullet-time and better looking bullet-time. The Matrix was definitely not the first use of non-CG bullet-time.

Unno

I think the Academy has chosen pretty good movies to win for the fx category, with the exception of Spidey 2 beating Harry Potter 3, which had far better visuals. But Star Wars has some tough competition this year: against Sin City, Hitchhiker's Guide, King Kong, Narnia, Batman, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, War of the Worlds, Harry Potter...and personally, I don't think the new Star Wars have had the greatest fx. Sometimes there's an occasional good shot, but most of the time....there's some really bad fx.

I'm hoping that some of the trailer shots get fixed i.e. Kashyyyk shot toward the end, with a few wookies running around and that (forgot name) huge tanker shooting missiles... that was just pathetic

Just so you know, ROTS has over 2,200 special effects while LOTR has 1,300! ROTS is getting an academy award, it is its DES-TINY!

it doesnt matter how many fx it has....thats the point. theres an overusage of it. im sure it will be beaten like AOTC and Phantom Menace both were.

it'll definitely win best score

Originally posted by JKozzy
They got quite a few for ANH in 1978.

yeah I think like 4 or something like that

I'm not bs'ing, but i think it'll win for special effects, and maybe sound too., just throwing that out there.

ANH awards: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/awards

Originally posted by hunchy
it doesnt matter how many fx it has....thats the point. theres an overusage of it. im sure it will be beaten like AOTC and Phantom Menace both were.

I totally agree... the overuse of CGI in AOTC killed the film for me. And I don't think it'll be much different this time around.

I think the award will go to either War of the Worlds or King Kong... though I'll really have to reserve my judgment until I have actually seen the films 😉

As for the score... I dunno. Star Wars has only ever won for score once and been nominated for only the OT... maybe it has something to do with the fact that he reuses a lot of stuff from the other edisodes, hance making it not a totally "original score"... 😕

Originally posted by unno
Well, if they don't differentiate between CG characters and better looking CG characters, why do they differentiate between bullet-time and better looking bullet-time. The Matrix was definitely not the first use of non-CG bullet-time.

Unno

Exactly, Bullet time isn't all that revolutionary at all. And, as I've pointed out, nobody uses it now because it looks like the Matrix. That's not what the Oscars about, the Oscar is for ACHIEVEMENT IN THE FIELD OF VISUAL EFFECTS. Saying the matrix should win because of one "new" effects vs star wars' twenty six new effects, that can still be used, that furthered the industry, which where used to make LOTR and the Matrix sequels, is ludacris. Its like saying, well, the Lakers had one point, but it was really cool, the Knicks had twenty six points, but we're gonna let the Lakers win anyway. Its total BS. I'm with PVS. #$%^ the Academy, they're just a bunch of old farts who don't understand the technical aspect of film, they probably don't even know what cgi stands for or that the PT isn't ALL cgi, there are a TON of shots that still have miniature sets that look SO GOOD average joes THINK they're CGI, so the Academy just votes based on politics and d!k sucking of people they like. Its all such BS. That's why I think its so cool that Lucas, Tim Burton, Coppola, and a few others never show because they know they're outcasts, they know its a "private" party of suck ups, and they don't waist their time. Instead they're out there in the trenchs improving film, making art, and generally doing a better job of it than most.

sorry if someone mentioned this, but what about the hitchikers guide to the galaxy, I think if anything beats SW it will be that, and thats only from what ive seen from the trailer

I'm pretty sure THE MATRIX was the first use of bullettime...

Besides...Star Wars computer effects are real easy to see through. They haven't been all that believable.

this is true, nice sig by the way, i have the same thing as my wallpaper on my desktop, except the PT 3 are on top and the OT is on the bottom

Thanks!

Haven't been believable? the only reason you know its cgi is because OBVIOUSLY there are no real gun-gans, toydarians, etc. The textures, solidarity, digital matching when it was inserted in with real actors was amazing. And in Europe, they seem to be with it, because the PT has won SEVERAL major visual effects awards in Europe. And the Matrix was NOT the first to use bullet time. It was used in GAP ads a couple years before, its also been used in kung fu movies for years, the Matrix was just the first time it was used in a major western film.

I find your post to be very agreeable, mephisto.

Unno

BTW, the earliest use I know of Bullettime was in Beetlemania, a documentary made for the BBC, which was released in 1996. That would be three years before The Matrix.

Originally posted by lau_timmy
In 1999 Phantom Menace lost to the Matrix and in 2002 Attack of the Clones lost to The Two Towers. Something tells me they'll give it to War of the Worlds. That's Lucas' big competition this year.

WETA is just to powerful for ILM.

If that is the case with Bullettime...I stand corrected...

But as far as believability...CGI doesn't come close. Sorry. Maybe its because I've done some CGI work and use photoshop extensively for work and play...but I can see right through stuff and so can a lot of people.

Water for example...I have yet to be convinced of ANY CGI water. Textures...they are good, but still not convincing. In fact...I think the problem is in the detail...it's too clean.

pogel and mephisto, i agree 100 %

the academy is overly self-proud and makes its decisions based on political aspects of movies and the popularity of the people involved.

as deserving of any oscars as ROTS may be, it will never win one because the academy hates GL

even being a huge matrix fan, i have to admit that TPM created MORE useful and revolutionary effects than the matrix.

bullet-time is awesome, but how does it effect movies that are being made today?

Star Wars will definately not win score, because its not original, like Dodo pointed out. And I think Matrix had far better visuals than Star Wars. As much as I'm anticipating Episode 3, I think there are many better visual films this year. Although I could see Star Wars at least being nominated.

I totally agree with ya hunchy 😄