Even in non-fighting scenes of SF3 where Akuma seems to gain a Gamma irradiated power-up [despite being possible for him lose to a teenage girl like Ibuki in game] its still nothing more impressive than Piccalo Damioccu could do when he took over the world in DB
Factor in the entier DBZ series and Goku even though hes ranked liked like 8th in the characters strength hes still lightyears beyonnd Akuma.Heck by the end of the series the very gods that created their universe ddint stack up to a SSJ2s power
If you bring GT into then THAT version of Goku loses.TOEIs craptacular creation is riddeled with stupid moments/plotholes and apparently the Goku of that AU cant lift a building becomes weaker when he transforms and can be killed by a rotating fanblade in a sewer[something that wouldnt have made DB Goku when he first appeared flinch]
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Even in non-fighting scenes of SF3 where Akuma seems to gain a Gamma irradiated power-up [despite being possible for him lose to a teenage girl like Ibuki in game] its still nothing more impressive than Piccalo Damioccu could do when he took over the world in DBFactor in the entier DBZ series and Goku even though hes ranked liked like 8th in the characters strength hes still lightyears beyonnd Akuma.Heck by the end of the series the very gods that created their universe ddint stack up to a SSJ2s power
If you bring GT into then THAT version of Goku loses.TOEIs craptacular creation is riddeled with stupid moments/plotholes and apparently the Goku of that AU cant lift a building becomes weaker when he transforms and can be killed by a rotating fanblade in a sewer[something that wouldnt have made DB Goku when he first appeared flinch]
I don't think so. Akuma is more powerful then ssj4 Goku and he's a better fighter. And I actually think ssj4 Goku did as much as ssj3 Goku did with his feats. Anyways I think Akuma will win for having a better showing. And there gods are weak, no offense. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
I don't think so. Akuma is more powerful then ssj4 Goku and he's a better fighter. And I actually think ssj4 Goku did as much as ssj3 Goku did with his feats. Anyways I think Akuma will win for having a better showing. And there gods are weak, no offense. 🙂
Of course Akuma would beat SSJ4 Goku hes weak and GT is an AU where everyone is weaker.Its like comparing OVA Tenchi and Ryoko who were awesomely powerful to other series where Tenchi and Ryoko didnt have a fraction of the last series strengths
Anyways SSJ1 goky ***** slapped something that could destroy a world with a wave of his hand [Frieza] and none of Akumas feats were beyond Piccalos first apperence feats.Anything past DB Goku is getting to high for anyone outside of Saint Seiya to take on.Akuma WOULD have been a great oppoent for DB era though
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Of course Akuma would beat SSJ4 Goku hes weak and GT is an AU where everyone is weaker.Its like comparing OVA Tenchi and Ryoko who were awesomely powerful to other series where Tenchi and Ryoko didnt have a fraction of the last series strengthsAnyways SSJ1 goky ***** slapped something that could destroy a world with a wave of his hand [Frieza] and none of Akumas feats were beyond Piccalos first apperence feats.Anything past DB Goku is getting to high for anyone outside of Saint Seiya to take on.Akuma WOULD have been a great oppoent for DB era though
They go by power level in DBZ/GT, Goku was stronger so he so it was nothing to him. And I think Akuma would beat any of them. I have seen all of what Goku is capable of, while Akuma still havn't showed his full power but from what he has fought and the feats he showed I'll say he is more powerful. 🙂
Name one feat of Akumas that can equal destroying a planet. That's Goku when he first hit SSJ1. (it was actually Frieza, who is around that level) It's safe to say that Goku's power has increased several times over since then. And Akuma's energy blasts would pale even next to small ki blasts from Goku. He would swat away Akuma's stuff with no trouble.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Name one feat of Akumas that can equal destroying a planet. That's Goku when he first hit SSJ1. (it was actually Frieza, who is around that level) It's safe to say that Goku's power has increased several times over since then. And Akuma's energy blasts would pale even next to small ki blasts from Goku. He would swat away Akuma's stuff with no trouble.
Try looking at Akuma vs. Demitri. And clam down. 🙂
Originally posted by Dizzle
Name one feat of Akumas that can equal destroying a planet. That's Goku when he first hit SSJ1. (it was actually Frieza, who is around that level) It's safe to say that Goku's power has increased several times over since then. And Akuma's energy blasts would pale even next to small ki blasts from Goku. He would swat away Akuma's stuff with no trouble.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta PL 18,000 launched a Galic Gun with the intention of blowing up Earth
Goku in KaiokenX3 blocked it with a Kamahamaha then amped his power up going KKx4.The attack hurt Vegeta but didnt kill him[ie Vegeta took an attack stronger than the one he was going to blow up Earth with]
They are sitting around the teens to 20-30K PL range
Frieza was approximated at 12 Million in PL.Care to think about the lv of increase based on 20K being "Blow-u planet/resist such attacks" range
After that throughout the Cell saga all characters power again increase exponetially [More than the original intent of the show.By all logic every battle now should destroy the world lke SSJ Goku/Frieza did] and then the Buu saga comes out where Goku ets a form he cant even sustain with a living body
This is kind of the reason DBZ dont work well in alot of Vs topics.When you look at the rate and range of characters power boosts it ets insane.Not just because of where the show goes but beccause it went on ALOT longer than was intended and more stuff ket needing to be added in
Yeah... DBZ's insane. SSJ3's gotta be in the billions...
And dvamp, I read your Akuma vs. Demitri thread... At their most impressive, you said Akuma level beings could take out planets with one shot. Firstly, Akuma has never done anything to hint that he could take out the entire planet. Sinking an island is nothing compared to the entire planet Earth. If you think planets are impressive though, look at Frieza. Or better yet, the Vegeta example from EvilCap. I find Akuma overrated lately. Still badass, but taking Goku? All of DBZ is on a completely different level from pretty much anything else. The power levels are just over the top.
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Saiyan Saga Vegeta PL 18,000 launched a Galic Gun with the intention of blowing up EarthGoku in KaiokenX3 blocked it with a Kamahamaha then amped his power up going KKx4.The attack hurt Vegeta but didnt kill him[ie Vegeta took an attack stronger than the one he was going to blow up Earth with]
They are sitting around the teens to 20-30K PL range
Frieza was approximated at 12 Million in PL.Care to think about the lv of increase based on 20K being "Blow-u planet/resist such attacks" range
After that throughout the Cell saga all characters power again increase exponetially [More than the original intent of the show.By all logic every battle now should destroy the world lke SSJ Goku/Frieza did] and then the Cell saga comes out where Goku ets a form he cant even sustain with a living body
This is kind of the reason DBZ dont work well in alot of Vs topics.When you look at the rate and range of characters power boosts it ets insane.Not just because of where the show goes but beccause it went on ALOT longer than was intended and more stuff ket needing to be added in
ssJ3 Gokus maximum lifting strength was halve a city he could barely do it ether (in the original manga only, he never showed any feats in the show when he was ssj3) and he struggle with a building in ssj4. Blowing up planets isn't as impressive as it once was because you got alot of people doing that alot in comics, anime, and games.
Akuma is fighting people like Gill (who is like a god and he can never die) who still hasn't show his full power but, the guy spilt the ocean in halve with just a lift of his hand he can also give his power to people, you got Demitri who destroy planets with no problem, Pyron (Pyron is on Galactus level or maybe even greater, he makes planets look like little dots to him) who is a cosmic being that melt planets with no problem, destroy stars, and destroy galaxies with little effort, Oro who is very power and he still hasn't fought at full power. There is alot of characters that can match and beat the DBZ/GT characters. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
ssJ3 Gokus maximum lifting strength was halve a city he could barely do it ether (in the original manga only, he never showed any feats in the show when he was ssj3) and he struggle with a building in ssj4. Blowing up planets isn't as impressive as it once was because you got alot of people doing that alot in comics, anime, and games.
Problem-I belive ive already established that SSJ4 and GT arent DBZ Goku.For gods sake Goku in that was Afraid a rotating fan blade in a swer would kill him.Look at Bebi Vegeta he couldnt blow up earth in 3 shots but was supposed to be stronger than Buu[Probably the GT version of Buu from their AU history] and that was something Saiyan Saga Vegeta could do.Of course he couldnt hold a building he could be taken out by DB desert bandit Yamcha if a fanblade could kill him
Next where did they show any lifting strength for SSJ3 Goku?Even so why does it matter when power in DBZ was never ever rated by lifting alot like an Ameircan Comic.
Anyways DBZ i say look a the rate of increse in power i gave and the fact that characters have taken attacks meant to destroy planets then increase in power several times over take stronger shots etc.Akuma as impressive as the things hes done in ending sequances is isnt pulling off anything most late DB characters couldnt have done
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Problem-I belive ive already established that SSJ4 and GT arent DBZ Goku.For gods sake Goku in that was Afraid a rotating fan blade in a swer would kill him.Look at Bebi Vegeta he couldnt blow up earth in 3 shots but was supposed to be stronger than Buu[Probably the GT version of Buu from their AU history] and that was something Saiyan Saga Vegeta could do.Of course he couldnt hold a building he could be taken out by DB desert bandit Yamcha if a fanblade could kill himNext where did they show any lifting strength for SSJ3 Goku?Even so why does it matter when power in DBZ was never ever rated by lifting alot like an Ameircan Comic.
Anyways DBZ i say look a the rate of increse in power i gave and the fact that characters have taken attacks meant to destroy planets then increase in power several times over take stronger shots etc.Akuma as impressive as the things hes done in ending sequances is isnt pulling off anything most late DB characters couldnt have done
In the manga ssj3 Goku lifts halve a city, this is the original story made by the creator Akira Toriyama. And the beings Akuma fights prove that he's more than enough to defeat them. But I respect your opinion, atleast you didn't get mad.
Originally posted by dvampire
In the manga ssj3 Goku lifts halve a city, this is the original story made by the creator Akira Toriyama. And the beings Akuma fights prove that he's more than enough to defeat them. But I respect your opinion, atleast you didn't get mad.
Where did Goku lift half a city?I dont remember anythinng like that coming up.At least tell me where that happens at
.......Oh god no im defending Goku in a DBZ argument.....Im such a dork :cry: