Originally posted by EvilCap America
Are you in America?Because as of right now they are only up to Volume 20 of DBZ and just ending the Cell saga
They're are two types of manga. An America version that is made by VIZ comics (or Shonen Jump) and The oringinal manga created by Akira Toriyama. I have the original manga that's in black and white; it's way better then the America Version because it's way more violent with edited scenes. 🙂
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellThats much better.
now if this were shin akuma, vs ssj4 Gogeta,maybe but..............
Sorry I disagree with you cordera, I think Shin-Akuma could beat any form really IMO. If you played Darkstalkers 3 and CFE you'll know what I'm talking about. Because I don't think any of them can compare to Pyron. If you hadn't played the game go to this website to get a better look at Pyron.
Check out www.capcomcomics.com to get a better look at Pyron he's the big burnnig guy in space that makes planet earth look like a dot. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
They're are two types of manga. An America version that is made by VIZ comics (or Shonen Jump) and The oringinal manga created by Akira Toriyama. I have the original manga that's in black and white; it's way better then the America Version because it's way more violent with edited scenes. 🙂
I meant to say unedited scenes. 🙂
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I say shungokusatsu and misogi are his best shots, but really dbz just has powers that go here and there. I wanted a thread like this, but the GT characters seemed weaker, after Z.Yes I understand what pyron is capable of, but I don't think Gill is up for SS3 goku, and he is close to akuma, no?
I think so. Shin-Akuma, Demitri, Gill, Oro and Pyron (in his Humanoid form) are all in the same tier. Yeah they do have energy blast, but that's all they have as a good offense and Pyron (he can fly, teleport, and throw energy blasts) is somthing like them. I think a fighter can win a battle with just one energy blast that will be used for an offense (like Supermans Heat Vision). And I think they have some characters in GT that are great as DBZ characters.
Sure I think Gill is capable of holding his own. He can create fire/ice with just a thought, he can teleport (if you beat the game with yun, he also tell you little bit more about him), and Him and Urien possess secret and ancient fighting arts kept by there organization (which they say have about 66 secret techniques). As for Gill being more powerful then Akuma I don't know because they never stated that in the game. 🙂
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I know Gill is somewhere close but the debate breaking question is.Can akuma beat superman.
I do see your points, but I just know how ridiculously overpowered DBis.
I think Superman is more powerful then ssj3 and 4 Goku physically. ssj3 Goku lifts halve a city and ssj4 struggle with a building, most of their strengths come from energy blasts. Supes is far stronger than that and he got the speed to back it up, not to mention he got punch threw the earth, and survived being taken into a blackhole. I think Akuma may beat Superman with his fighting skill, it won't be easy but I do think Supes would win a couple.
Akuma 6/10 versus Supes. 🙂
Considering Kid Goku started out DB Bullet proof and performed feats on par with 1-10 ton strength heroes and then became much stronger when training with Master Roshi[where he shoowed more feats of strength] took out an entire army on his own soon afterwards could already move too fast for anyone to see and continued to jump in power by leaps and bounds i dont see how he can be ranked so low.
Are you telling me that over all of DBZ history and everything DB/DBZ spanned that Goku basically gained from including a transformation trhat was stated to double all his strength each level[Kaioken] that even itself become obsolete with SSJ which didnt hold a fraction of the power that he did after training in the ROSAT that ddint hold a fraction of the power he had as a SSJ2 that didnt even come close to SSJ3 that he basically gained a tiny bit of powr overall and isnt that much higher than your average SFer character?
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Considering Kid Goku started out DB Bullet proof and performed feats on par with 1-10 ton strength heroes and then became much stronger when training with Master Roshi[where he shoowed more feats of strength] took out an entire army on his own soon afterwards could already move too fast for anyone to see and continued to jump in power by leaps and bounds i dont see how he can be ranked so low.Are you telling me that over all of DBZ history and everything DB/DBZ spanned that Goku basically gained from including a transformation trhat was stated to double all his strength each level[Kaioken] that even itself become obsolete with SSJ which didnt hold a fraction of the power that he did after training in the ROSAT that ddint hold a fraction of the power he had as a SSJ2 that didnt even come close to SSJ3 that he basically gained a tiny bit of powr overall and isnt that much higher than your average SFer character?
He's stronger then the lower tier characters yes, but not the god tiers. As for ssj stages we don't know how powerful they become after each one. They go by power levels so if ssj3 Goku fights a ssj2 Goku he'll lose. Plus I've seen the maximum both ssj3 Goku and ssj4 Goku can lift. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
He's stronger then the lower tier characters yes, but not the god tiers. As for ssj stages we don't know how powerful they become after each one. They go by power levels so if ssj3 Goku fights a ssj2 Goku he'll lose. Plus I've seen the maximum both ssj3 Goku and ssj4 Goku can lift. 🙂
Well i 100% agree that SSJ4 Goku will lose bsed on the weak ability and mindboggling stupidity he had shown in GT but the SSJ3 example i dont even recall.SSJ3 Goku shows up only about 3 times
1] The non-fight against Fat Buu where both[Richerd greyson'ed] around with each other for a few minutes and Goku blows a tenth of the planet up on accident
2] A couple of seconds when Super Buu was nearby
3] The fight against Kid Buu
The only time they were near a city is in example 1 and most of that fight was spent in the air with Buu smashing through a building once
I also seriously dont see how any of Akumas feats [That only occur in his ending]couldnt have been done by a late Dragon Ball/Early DBZ enemy or a later Yu Yu Hakusho character
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I thinnk kid gohan and akuma are good matches, since akuma could kill a whole army, i can see him doing it now............
I think he will murder kid Gohan. They're are no where near Shin-Akuma, Gill, Pyron, Oro, and Demitri. You have Pyron whos way hotter then the sun, detroys planets and stars with no problem, collect planets as items, absorbs the planets energy after he defeats the most powerful beings on the planet, and destorys galaxies. No body in DBZ/GT ever fought somebody like that. You guys are underestimating what they can these characters can do. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
I think he will murder kid Gohan. They're are no where near Shin-Akuma, Gill, Pyron, Oro, and Demitri. You have Pyron whos way hotter then the sun, detroys planets and stars with no problem, collect planets as items, absorbs the planets energy after he defeats the most powerful beings on the planet, and destorys galaxies. No body in DBZ/GT ever fought somebody like that. You guys are underestimating what they can these characters can do. 🙂
I could easily see Pyron hang up with them.He destroys planets they destroy planets.He swallows Solar systems Cell could blow up solar systems[and of course all following important characers].Pyron vs Cell would be something worth seeing
Editing in-I think i should say i dont see Akuma Oro etc up around yrons level.Demitri only after being Pyrons lesser form[I belive you mentioned he absorbs him or something?].Akuma blowing up mountains and islands seems quite a step down from planet eatting
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Well i 100% agree that SSJ4 Goku will lose bsed on the ability and mindboggling stupid he had shown in GT but the SSJ3 example i dont even recall.SSJ3 Goku shows up only aout 3 times1] The non-fight against Fat Buu where both[Richerd greyson] around with each other for a few minutes ad Goku blows a tenth of the planet up on accident
2] A couple of seconds when Super Buu was nearby
3] The fight against Kid Buu
The only time they were near a city is in example 1 and most of that fight was spent in the air with Buu smashing through a building once
I seriously dont see how any of Akumas feats couldnt have been done by a late Dragon Ball/Early DBZ enemy or a later Yu Yu Hakusho character
Goku can blow up planets with energy blasts but not with a punch or a kick, they physically isn't that strong. and feats hes done he did with no problem and the fighters he been up against says different. 🙂