I'd really like to discuss this...It's only for the Brave!

Started by King Burger3 pages
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You consider them faults, I consider them strengths.

You consider bias "strength"?

You consider making exaggerated, and in s me cases wrong,
statements "strenght"?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Where did I say that all pagan religions were as advanced as those that were the most advanced? My point is that Jews and Christians after them decided to be one of those less advanced religions. They worked out because they were propogated by ignorance. They feed on their followers stupidity. And, there was never any greek influence on the early christians. The Greek empire was no more. They had been absorbed by the Roman empire.

Every culture has it's foundations in other societies. The Egyptians being an anomoly, because they developed for the most part, independant of other cultures. Egypt, just like Greece, was a group of city states that were unified under one flag. This is when so many ideas from different aspects of one super culture became one group of ideas or philosophy. Egypt, was intertwined city states unified by Menes and became the longest lasting culture in history.

My point about the christians is that they made a concerted effort to deny that they were influenced by other cultures and religions. FFS, it was based on the Jewish culture and religion, which in turn was based on an amalgam of other religions in the region. That's why we have contradictory teachings in the old and new testaments of the bible. My point is that they continued with the theme of theri followers stupidity. All religion is based on fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of god and fear of what is in the world around us. I wonder, what is there to fear?

You knowledge of history is clearly as weak as your ability to
argue.

I stated they were influenced by the Greeks, as in the Greek
thinkers and philosophers. That is still possible regardless of
which empire was ruling the area.

And if you want to get technical, there was no "Greek Empire",
only a Macedonian one.

Ancient Egypt was a collection of city-states? Ridiculous! What
Menes, or Narmer, united was not "city-states", but two tribal
kingdoms, Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt. Egypt was never
in its entire history, broken into city-states.

"Feed on their followers stupidity"? Ah yes, we are all sheep,
save the atheist intellectuals giants like yourself!

"All religion is based on fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of god
and fear of what is in the world around us." you're just turning
out those cliches like sausages, aren't you? But wait?! Where's
the "most wars are the result of religion" statement?! How can
you miss that one!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Absolutely they were. Their mission was to crawl out of the desert and spread to every corner of the Roman Empire.

"crawl"? You mean like how you did from underneath the
slimy rock you came from? That kind of crawl? Or some
other thing?

Look away from sea
I can take you anywhere.
Spend a vision with me
A chase with the wind.

Move close to me
I can make you anyone
I think you're ready to see
The gates of Babylon

The power of what has been before
Rises to trap you within
A magic carpet ride a genie may be more
A city of heavenly sin
Sleep with the devil and then you must pay
Sleep with the devil the devil will take you away
Oh Gates of Babylon

You can see but you're blind
Someone turned the sun around
But you can see in your mind
The Gates of Babylon

You're riding the endless caravan
Bonded and sold as a slave
A sabre dance removing all the veils
Getting as good as you gave
Sleep with the devil and then you must pay
Sleep with the devil the devil will take you away

The power of what has been before
Rises to trap you within
A magic carpet ride a genie may be more
A city of heavenly sin
Sleep with the devil and then you must pay
Sleep with the devil the devil will take you away
Black Gates of Babylon

The devil is me
And I'm holding the key
To the gates of sweet hell Babylon
- Rainbow`s Gates Of Babylon

arabiaband

Originally posted by King Burger
You consider bias "strength"?

You consider making exaggerated, and in s me cases wrong,
statements "strenght"?

By all means, disprove any of the statements in the article. The article was written in the basis of most ancient history. Theories. The coincidence of numbers. But I'm sure someone as enlightened as yourself would attribute those coincidences to gods master plan.

Originally posted by King Burger
You knowledge of history is clearly as weak as your ability to
argue.

Argue? No one is arguing. We're bringing our beliefs to the table. And it's hard to dispute the facts that our history is based on.

Originally posted by King Burger
I stated they were influenced by the Greeks, as in the Greek
thinkers and philosophers. That is still possible regardless of
which empire was ruling the area.

And I'm sure christianity accepted the philosophies of freedom and equitable government, right?

Originally posted by King Burger
And if you want to get technical, there was no "Greek Empire",
only a Macedonian one.

The proper term "Greek empire" was the unification of many city states by the Athenean hierarchy, under the Delian league. Many felt that they were tyranical rulers, however. There was a revolt, which was repeatedly put down by the Athenians. All attepmpts were unsuccesful until the Persians stepped in and began to fund the "civil war". Eventually the league was dissolved. The macedonian, Alexander, united all the city states. Later the Macedonian Empire was born, which we all know went on to rule the most of the known world. The philospohy you refer to began during the "first" Greek Empire.

Originally posted by King Burger
Ancient Egypt was a collection of city-states? Ridiculous! What
Menes, or Narmer, united was not "city-states", but two tribal
kingdoms, Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt. Egypt was never
in its entire history, broken into city-states.

Yeah, two kingdoms, I'm simply using the term city state as a continuation of the above theme. Unification into empires. In fact, the most early forms of egyptian art depict Menes clubbing the heads of the governors of the cities of these two kingdoms. These two kingdoms were establish from many different cities that had been established by the early bedouin tribes which were believed to have migrated to the area from the west, from the eastern parts of the Sahara desert.

Originally posted by King Burger
"Feed on their followers stupidity"? Ah yes, we are all sheep,
save the atheist intellectuals giants like yourself!

I'm sure you would be ignorant if you lived in the days of early christianity, which I assumed was what we were talking about.

Originally posted by King Burger
"All religion is based on fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of god
and fear of what is in the world around us." you're just turning
out those cliches like sausages, aren't you? But wait?! Where's
the "most wars are the result of religion" statement?! How can
you miss that one!

I don't include your last example because I'm aware that war isn't always started over religion. In fact, few wars have ever been started over religion. In fact, religion is often the RESULT of war. Or at least the spread of religions.

Originally posted by King Burger
"crawl"? You mean like how you did from underneath the
slimy rock you came from? That kind of crawl? Or some
other thing?

Yes, I did crawl out from under a slimy rock. I developed lungs that breath air. Then I evolved legs and arms. And then the ability to walk upright. And opposable thumbs. And then I invented religion, and it was all down hill from there.

Come on, guys, let's play nice.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Yeah, it was a shame. And to think they lived in peace with the Muslims for so long...and then "the Catholic Kings" came along 🙁.

At one time in Rome, there were many religions and it was quite a peaceful time..All religions were welcome...And it worked for everyone.

The Holy Roman Empire was all about control...They forced the people to buy it or else...It's strange that the only time Jesus was mentioned was in the gospels...You would think that someone else would of mentioned his miracles and such. It was considered big news wasn't it. And don't mention Josephus, because from what I've seen. There is only one small paragraph inserted in the midst of another topic..and so it was added later...And Oriegn (sp?) had an earlier copy of Josephus writings and that little statement wasn't included in there. Also Eusibius (sp?) quoted from Josephus quite often and never quoted the little paragraph that was inserted later about Jesus...Though I do believe in Jesus, I feel the church purposely changed the story making Him the messiah to bring in the Jews...Of course the Jews didn't buy it. And still don't to this day...