iceman can freeze things as large as the empire state building solid, at his true potential im sure that hes extremely powerdul.{hes one of the 12 mutants of incredible power}
now it is said that with enough control of his power, bobby can take the temperature of things down to absolute zero{which is THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF ENERGY}, if he does that to the whole football field then flash wudnt be able to move even if he wanted to because his molecules will be sucked of all their energy.
Is this true anyone cause i admit i dont know enough about flash to say whether he can or can not project the spped force into someone at a molecular level. I knew he could do it into other objects and people but not on that level. If he can then it seems he could beat iceman but if he cant then iceman all the way
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Is this true anyone cause i admit i dont know enough about flash to say whether he can or can not project the spped force into someone at a molecular level. I knew he could do it into other objects and people but not on that level. If he can then it seems he could beat iceman but if he cant then iceman all the way
It may not be an issue at all, since I've heard that Flash can only steal speed from those within the speed force, which definitely would not include Iceman.
Anyways, I THINK that stealing speed with the speed force works at a molecular level, considering Flash's nigh experitse with molecule control. Don't quote me on that though.
the twelve?? its a list of "supposedly" the twelve most powerful mutants ever....and with most people there i would have to agree...it was storm, iceman, and some fire guy for elementals, magneto and polaris for opposite magnetic feilds, Cable( or xman cant remember), cyclops, and jean for the strength of family, xavier for mind....and then i cant remember....but i mean cyclops?? anyways there was a big plot with the destiny books talkin about these twelve...but in reality apoc just wanted them so he could absorb there energy and place his essence in i think Xman....but cyclops broke free, took nates place and thats how cyke and apoc became one....but then they got free.....and going back to this fight i have no idea who would win.....
Originally posted by nigel45
I wouldn't put it past him, but yeah, can't say I've seen it. Yo The Flash, you got an issue number?
It just seems kind of pointless for him to steal momentum; he can already run approaching lightspeed. Why wouldn't he just swat down a bullet?
Flash arguments get exceedingly complicated. Everyone makes claims about Flash that they never prove. Flash's so called "Infinity Mass Punch" is actually more of a "Terminal Velocity Punch." He didn't knock Zum around the world twice, he ran around the world twice and punched Zum knocking him miles away. That is more conceivable.
If Flash can steal momentum from anything, perform an "infinity mass punch," and cause people to explode, I just don't see anyone beating him.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It just seems kind of pointless for him to steal momentum; he can already run approaching lightspeed. Why wouldn't he just swat down a bullet?Flash arguments get exceedingly complicated. Everyone makes claims about Flash that they never prove. Flash's so called "Infinity Mass Punch" is actually more of a "Terminal Velocity Punch." He didn't knock Zum around the world twice, he ran around the world twice and punched Zum knocking him miles away. That is more conceivable.
If Flash can steal momentum from anything, perform an "infinity mass punch," and cause people to explode, I just don't see anyone beating him.
Originally posted by Scoobless
if you let me know what you're talking about i'll let you know what it was meant to be..... 😕
ok, so in another thread you made a some subtle comment...forget what it was, but it went right over the heads of everyone until you explained. You made the comment that you enjoyed trying to be subtle like that.
In this thread, I am defending the Flash. So are you. On page 1, after I had defended Flash, you had a picture of cheese and said "I like cheese. Flash would win." Directly underneath my name at the moment it says "Defender of Cheese" (my "title"😉. Usually you back up your opinions with some sort of explanation but you didn't at first in this one (you did later)...I thought maybe you were saying Flash, and the cheese thing was a subtle reference to my argument rather than making your own.
I guess I was wrong, but in my head it made a lot of sense. And I figured we'd share some unspoken smile as the rest of the posters on the thread didn't know what I meant by "the veiled compliment". But instead, everyone knows that I'm just living in my own little idiotic world, and no one had a clue as to what I meant.
hmmm...ending now... 😮
-DM
Originally posted by K3VIL
No.Totally wrong.
He would just remove momentum from an object that is a threat to someone maybe because he wants to use his powers while he's doing something else?Or just to use them.Superman can punch through titanium, but he can also melt it with heat vision, but he doesn't always use it.
IMP isn't TVP.
Flash enters in the Speed Force Dimension and exited from it at lightspeed, performing the IMP, he himself sayed he was seeing Zum at the end of the tunnel made of compressed photons.
He sayed he can punch him thousand of times before Zum can even blink an eye.And the punch sent him to the other side of the world.
That is a fact.Read the comic.
I have seen the issue. It isn't referred to as an "infinity mass punch," Flash increases his inertial mass in the Speed Force. Before he does this, he runs around the world twice.
Mass is constant. It does not increase, or decrease. If it were truly an "infinite mass punch," Zum would have been killed upon contact. Then, the Flash would collapse under his own gravity, pulling the entire galaxy into a black hole like none the universe has ever seen.
If Flash can move at near lightspeed, I don't think time is a real problem for him. He could swat down the bullet, and save a building full of children from an explosion in far less than a second.
Can you give an issue in which Flash uses this power?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
ok, so in another thread you made a some subtle comment...forget what it was, but it went right over the heads of everyone until you explained. You made the comment that you enjoyed trying to be subtle like that.In this thread, I am defending the Flash. So are you. On page 1, after I had defended Flash, you had a picture of cheese and said "I like cheese. Flash would win." Directly underneath my name at the moment it says "Defender of Cheese" (my "title"😉. Usually you back up your opinions with some sort of explanation but you didn't at first in this one (you did later)...I thought maybe you were saying Flash, and the cheese thing was a subtle reference to my argument rather than making your own.
I guess I was wrong, but in my head it made a lot of sense. And I figured we'd share some unspoken smile as the rest of the posters on the thread didn't know what I meant by "the veiled compliment". But instead, everyone knows that I'm just living in my own little idiotic world, and no one had a clue as to what I meant.
hmmm...ending now... 😮 -DM
LMFAO........ hahahahahahahahahaha ........... 😆 😆 😆 ...... i had no idea your title thingy said anything about cheese when i wrote that.................lol........... maybe on a subconscious level i'm too subtle..... even for myself
i was just being weird when i wrote the cheese comment
😄
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I have seen the issue. It isn't referred to as an "infinity mass punch," Flash increases his inertial mass in the Speed Force. Before he does this, he runs around the world twice.Mass is constant. It does not increase, or decrease. If it were truly an "infinite mass punch," Zum would have been killed upon contact. Then, the Flash would collapse under his own gravity, pulling the entire galaxy into a black hole like none the universe has ever seen.
Can you give an issue in which Flash uses this power?
actually that was when he used it and he explained that it he increased his mass to infintity,flash facts he called them, mind you he didnt give it an official name as to say i, wally west, have an attack called "infinty mass punch", but its just for the sake of comic fans ppl just say hmm, he punched somebody while he increased his mass to infinty so that must mean its an IMP.its the equivalent to when ppl say TOAA instead of the one above all, its not officially in any MArvel publications but it is widley accpeted in comicdom.... plus you gotta realize that Zum is a martian and thier invulnerablity is on par with superman's so it isnt unbeliveable that he would survive an attack like that
back to the battle though flash has been frozen before. namely when he and superman were racing the weather wizard froze both of them cold tho they were traveling at incredibly high speeds super man used his heat vision and flash just vibrated his molecules at superspeed and got out of the block of ice.
the only solace iceman could take from this is that flash wouldnt be able to kill him, cuz he would just reform no matter what, but he would get his face smashed in a million times over. the most profound thing flash could do to him his speed up his molecules and burn him, and his moisture off into the atmosphere, if he turns himself into vapor same thing.
also, delving back into the race between him and supes when they where in the antarctic, flash commented that his aura protected him from the extreme cold so maybe,just maybe iceman wouldnt be able to affect flash's moisture, plus flash can metabolize his injures like he had a healing factor.
and another thing in teen titans when flash was trying to get a hold of impulse and they were running across the SF bay,--impulse said "did you know when water is boiled into a steam the volume increases about sixteen hundred times and transfers the energy between molecules into whatver it hits"
then he ran a couple of superspeed circles around flash then sploosh! this big column of water just sent them flying so if iceman turns into vapor, cold vapor he would just boil him into steam and disperse his molecules all over the place.
iceman wont die tho, and would just rematerialze, and if iceman drains flash's moisture he can metablize himslef by accelerating his healing process . or flash could just say F it and do to him what he did to Savitar and just send him in the speed force, and that would be the end of iceman, but for the sake of normalcy i go with a draw