ryu and ken vs scorpion and sub-zero

Started by samishe11 pages
Originally posted by jinzin
well said samishe.. well said...

Thanx 😎

This thread deserves a bump.

My money is on Sub Zero and Scorpion.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
This thread deserves a bump.

My money is on Sub Zero and Scorpion.

It's funny the way MK was under rated back then.

OMG Ryu & Ken shinkuu hadoken the ninja while they sitback and watch!

I agree with Jinzin's statements. It won't really take much for Zero & Scorpz to tip the battle in their favor.

ZOMG Ryu and Ken are like Vegeta and Goku they can destroy ANYTHING with their chi how are a bunch of ninjas going stand a chance mane?

Originally posted by Ruff Ryder
ZOMG I rUvz tEh KocKZ!!!

😕

Sad troll...*shakes head*

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Sad troll...*shakes head*

But, this isn't trolling:

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
ZOMG Ryu and Ken are like Vegeta and Goku they can destroy ANYTHING with their chi how are a bunch of ninjas going stand a chance mane?

That was meant to be a joke, sad troll.

Originally posted by Ruff Ryder
That was meant to be a joke, sad troll.

And spam, just like most of your post. Infact, weren't you banned for spamming so much? 😆

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It's funny the way MK was under rated back then.

OMG Ryu & Ken shinkuu hadoken the ninja while they sitback and watch!

I agree with Jinzin's statements. It won't really take much for Zero & Scorpz to tip the battle in their favor.

Yeah it's just that MK's a more complicated storyline with played down powers during gameplay to increase play value, while SF is a dumbed down story that tries to make up for it by having bigger flashy lightshows during play to increase watch value. 😬

Mk does have a more complex story, but I wouldn't say SF story is dumb. Also, Sf has solid gameplay dude while MK is very broken.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah it's just that MK's a more complicated storyline with played down powers during gameplay to increase play value, while SF is a dumbed down story that tries to make up for it by having bigger flashy lightshows during play to increase watch value. 😬
MK has broken and cheesy gameplay that only a kid would appreciate, there's no depth or innovation in it at all, they simply use blood to cover it up. If there was no blood, there would be no MK. Even my little cousin lost interest in it because it's superficial.

MK had gotten better, but then Armageddon made it worse again. 😬

Capcom is just lazy, it's that simple.

Originally posted by Guilty Gear
Sad troll...*shakes head*

Neg. Pinultimo spam. Donkey Story FTW.

Originally posted by BlaxicanHydra
ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS A LITTLE BOY IN MEXICO WALKING DOWN A PATH TO A VILLAGE. ALONG THE WAY THERE WAS A LITTLE OLD MAN BENT DOWN TO THE FLOOR NEXT TO A DONKEY WITH EXTREMELY LARGE BALLS. THE LITTLE BOY STOPPED AND ASKED THE MAN

"EXCUSE ME SIR, COULD YOU TELL ME THE TIME?"

"GIVE ME A MINUTE" SAID THE OLD MAN AND STARTED FONDLING THE DONKEY'S BALLS. AFTER ABOUT A MINUTE OF FOUNDLING THE BALLS HE LET GO AND SAID

"3 O'CLOCK "

THE LITTLE BOY WAS ASTOUNDED

"SIR, PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU DID THAT TRICK? "

THE OLD MAN SHOOK HIS HEAD.

"NEG, IT'S A FAMILY SECRET!"

"PLEASE SIR, I MUST KNOW! " THE MAN THOUGHT FOR AWHILE BEFORE TELLING THE BOY THAT IF HE REALLY WANTED TO KNOW TO COME BACK THE NEXT DAY.

THE NEXT DAY THE BOY CAME BACK AND ASKED THE MAN FOR THE TIME AGAIN. THE MAN STOOPED TO THE GROUND AND STARTED FONDLING THE DONKEYS BALLS.

"12:05 "

"PLEASE SIR YOU HAVE TO TELL ME YOUR SECRET!" THE BOY EXCLAIMED.

"FIRST, GET ON THE GROUND AND TRY IT YOURSELF." SAID THE MAN. SO THE BOY GOT ON THE GROUND AND STARTED FONDLING THE DONKEY'S BALLS. YET, DESPITE HIS FONDLING, HE COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING. HE TRIED AGAIN, BUT STILL SAW NOTHING IN THE DONKEY'S BALLS.

" IT'S NOT WORKING! PLEASE I HAVE TO KNOW! "

"FINE." THE MAN SAID AND GOT TO THE GROUND. HE PARTED THE DONKEY'S BALLS AND POINTED TO THE CLOCK TOWER BEHIND THEM IN THE DISTANCE.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
This thread deserves a bump.

My money is on Sub Zero and Scorpion.


Oui, I concur.

Ken and Ryu have a massive advantage at close range, but Scorpion and Sub Zero have better defensive capabilities. Scorpion has his Teleport Punch, Sub has about a billion different ice-freeze capabilities.

If Ken and Ryu rush them and try coming in close, Sub either ice-shields them and freezes them or freezes the ground and lets them slip. If Ken and Ryu jump for it Scorpion can just forward-Teleport punch or Sub can summon above-ice. The shoryukens may have higher priority going up, but I still doubt that they can be unaffected by ice shield.

If the Ansatsuken fighters try and hang back and start throwing hadoukens all over the place, Scorpion can simply wait until one of them is committing and teleport punch. If Ken is hanging back to guard against that, which he probably will since Ryu's hadouken is stronger and faster, then it might be blocked. I still really doubt this. Scorpion's teleport punch is near instantaneous compared to some of the teleports in Street Fighter, like Dhalsim, Gouki, or Evil Ryu's.

Even if it is blocked, Ken is still recovering while Scorpion is too. Neither of them can technically do anything. Ken knows that if that they're at midrange, he has to keep his guard up, since none of his melee moves will strike and that his hadoken is not fast enough that Scorpion can't avoid it. On the other hand, Scorpion cannot risk his spear move because if it's blocked it leaves him open for a whopping one to three seconds.

Ryu's hadouken, while powerful, can simply be blocked without block damage by use of Sub-Zero's ice clone capability.

If you were to take away the various balancing issues, Sub-Zero really could be nigh invincible in H2H. You can't "block" ice, and once frozen, your frozen. Your body shuts down and so your basically stuck. And Sub-Zero only needs to hit you once, anywhere, to freeze you. So if Sub-Zero actually used his ice powers to there full capabilities he could essentially solo these two.

He also has a movie where he basically turns to ice and anyone who hits him is frozen. He still takes half the damage, but at least his opponent is disabled for a full three seconds.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
MK has broken and cheesy gameplay that only a kid would appreciate, there's no depth or innovation in it at all, they simply use blood to cover it up. If there was no blood, there would be no MK. Even my little cousin lost interest in it because it's superficial.

maybe the classic games, but I think that stopped being a problem by MK4 where decent combos and 3d arenas came into play; all videogames are superficial so that's a bit of a bullshit reasoning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
MK had gotten better, but then Armageddon made it worse again. 😬

Capcom is just lazy, it's that simple.

I have mixed feelings about armageddon, but fair enough.

Originally posted by jinzin
maybe the classic games, but I think that stopped being a problem by MK4 where decent combos and 3d arenas came into play; all videogames are superficial so that's a bit of a bullshit reasoning.

I have mixed feelings about armageddon, but fair enough.

It became MORE of a problem with the newer ones because the combos were preprogrammed without the ability to really customize or innovate them. MK would never get any serious tourney play.

I'm talking about the actual gameplay, MK's gameplay is superficial because while on the outside it looks like you're doing alot, you are really just mashing the same button commands in that are given to you. In the older ones you could actually invent more combos, but that was because juggling was more broken than it is now (even though it still is).

I don't hate MK, but it's fighting engine isn't a serious one, it is a fun game though, but even MvC2 had a bit more depth.

Meh, I agree.

Mortal Kombat is my favorite fighting game ever, but it's fighting engine is broken and stale. It doesn't give you even half of the diversity that 2-D games like Street Fighter give you.