Originally posted by olympian
Your comparing Superman to an IMP?
I'm not gonna bother replying.... 😉
And for the second part - no, he doesn't have any 'better' speed feats post crisis.
But in my opinion, he has a good portion of Flash's speed, plus 500,000 times his strength and a million times the durability.
There's no chance of Flash winning this without some PIS.
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"I'm not gonna bother replying.... "
Fair enough, it was what it seemed to me you wer saying. Thats why i asked.
"And for the second part - no, he doesn't have any 'better' speed feats post crisis.
But in my opinion, he has a good portion of Flash's speed, plus 500,000 times his strength and a million times the durability."
He is close to Flash speed but hes not on a equal or superior footing. Flash strickes me as having more stamina the same way Superman its more durable. Both can use the speed to punch for a ko. This is not a walk in the park, althi i can see why the edge goes to Superman.
Without making this Pre-Crisis Supes, I can't see a way that Superman can win if Flash steals his speed.
If he attacks before his speed is stolen though:
His 360 heat vision sweep might work. It depends on whether Flash can outrun laser beams in the earth's atmosphere. If he can't, he's toast.
Thunder claps might work - Flash is far faster than sound, but can he see it...?
Earthquakes might work at knocking him off balance, but if Flash has his thinking cap on, he could be ten miles away when Supes causes a quake.
Then again - all this thinking about how Supes might hurt Flash could be moot. How is Flash gonna hurt Supes? Infinite Mass Punch him until his own hand is broken...?
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
His 360 heat vision sweep might work. It depends on whether Flash can outrun laser beams in the earth's atmosphere. If he can't, he's toast.
Supes tried it in Flash #209. Flash said to himself.. "Im faster than heat vision."
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Thunder claps might work - Flash is far faster than sound, but can he see it...?
It wouldnt affect Flash much. Hes able to do thunderclaps as well. Thundersnaps, thunderstomps. Any movement he does, hes able to make a sonic boom.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Earthquakes might work at knocking him off balance, but if Flash has his thinking cap on, he could be ten miles away when Supes causes a quake.
True. It also depends on how hed recover if he is caught in the quake.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Then again - all this thinking about how Supes might hurt Flash could be moot. How is Flash gonna hurt Supes? Infinite Mass Punch him until his own hand is broken...?
Because they both move some sort of field around them, doesnt it counter each other which would enable damage to be done? If Wally were to break his hands, hed heal them asap. It shouldnt stop him none. If the IMP's dont work, im not really sure how Flash can hurt Supes? I dont really see a reason why the vibrational punch wouldnt work. I know Superman is suppose to have the protective aura around him, but that brings me to my statement above.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Supes tried it in Flash #209. Flash said to himself.. "Im faster than heat vision."It wouldnt affect Flash much. Hes able to do thunderclaps as well. Thundersnaps, thunderstomps. Any movement he does, hes able to make a sonic boom.
True. It also depends on how hed recover if he is caught in the quake.
Because they both move some sort of field around them, doesnt it counter each other which would enable damage to be done? If Wally were to break his hands, hed heal them asap. It shouldnt stop him none. If the IMP's dont work, im not really sure how Flash can hurt Supes? I dont really see a reason why the vibrational punch wouldnt work. I know Superman is suppose to have the protective aura around him, but that brings me to my statement above.
Originally posted by K3VIL
IMP will work very well.
Wally's aura protects him only from LOW/MID level injuries and ari friction.Supes punches are outta his league of durability.
But with his speed, Wally can perform a hundred of IMP in front of Supes, and that will smack down Superman, REAL BAD, I can tell you.
Ok. So what does Supermans aura protect him from? I dont quite get how it works.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok. So what does Supermans aura protect him from? I dont quite get how it works.
Originally posted by K3VIL
From both physical and energy attacks, but follow me:
White Martians possess around 80-85%, let's say 70% for Zum of Superman's durability.
If one IMP sent a White Martian into orbit at ESCAPE VELOCITY, it means that a hundred of IMP, which Flash can perform, cause after tapping into the SF an exit from it he can just reappear in front of Supes and punch him a hundred times, that hundred times will send Superman to the Watchtower.
Agreed.
Originally posted by K3VIL
From both physical and energy attacks, but follow me:
White Martians possess around 80-85%, let's say 70% for Zum of Superman's durability.
If one IMP sent a White Martian into orbit at ESCAPE VELOCITY, it means that a hundred of IMP, which Flash can perform, cause after tapping into the SF an exit from it he can just reappear in front of Supes and punch him a hundred times, that hundred times will send Superman to the Watchtower.
Right. To perform his IMP on the white martian he ran around the world right...?
Say he has to do that for each one... as he'd lose momentum once the punch made contact...
Now to hit Supes with one hundred IMPs he'd have to run around the world one hundred times.
Light takes one seventh of a second to circle the earth.
So to run around the earth one hundred times at full lightspeed, Flash would take 14 seconds.
Are you telling me that Superman - who reacts in milliseconds - is not in the entirety of that 14 seconds, gonna hit Flash at least ONCE?
Once is all it'd take....
And once he'd get...