Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Right. To perform his IMP on the white martian he ran around the world right...?Say he has to do that for each one... as he'd lose momentum once the punch made contact...
Now to hit Supes with one hundred IMPs he'd have to run around the world one hundred times.
Light takes one seventh of a second to circle the earth.
So to run around the earth one hundred times at full lightspeed, Flash would take 14 seconds.
Are you telling me that Superman - who reacts in milliseconds - is not in the entirety of that 14 seconds, gonna hit Flash at least ONCE?
Once is all it'd take....
And once he'd get...
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Right. To perform his IMP on the white martian he ran around the world right...?Say he has to do that for each one... as he'd lose momentum once the punch made contact...
Now to hit Supes with one hundred IMPs he'd have to run around the world one hundred times.
Light takes one seventh of a second to circle the earth.
So to run around the earth one hundred times at full lightspeed, Flash would take 14 seconds.
Are you telling me that Superman - who reacts in milliseconds - is not in the entirety of that 14 seconds, gonna hit Flash at least ONCE?
Once is all it'd take....
And once he'd get...
You musnt forget that Zum was running with him to all those locations. Zum is also faster than Superman and has about the same durability though slightly less.
I doubt Flash has to hit Superman with 100 IMP's.He only hit Zum with 1 and ko'd him. I say about 10 is all thats needed. Also with Flash stealing Supermans speed, Superman wouldnt even be able to react.
His "millisecond" reaction time, would be heavily reduced. Hed be able to hit Flash if hes lucky. I think hed be so disoriented from the hits, he wouldnt know where Wallys coming from.
Originally posted by K3VILExcept that it's a known fact that Superman can see and react to Flash while he's going. Like I mentioned earlier, in one issue, he looked around and did all the mathematical caculations in his head in and stepped right in front of Wally while he was running all over the place. Wally skidded to a stop. Also, in Sacrifice Superman not only moved and reacted faster than Wally, but outsmarted him as well as far as combat tactics went. And rendered him useless to the battle. If he had to, Superman obliterates the a world sized chunk of the 'featureless environment" with heat vision. This IS bloodlust right? Dodge that. You guys should know Bloodlusted Superman has no known peak for speed, stength, etc.
Flash didn't run around the world.That happened in JLU, the animated series.
Flash just entered into the SpeedForce, and REAPPEARED, like exiting from a dimensional portal behind Zum, and punched him before he could even blink, he himself stated he could have punched him 1000 times before he can even react.
Flash doesn't lose momentum, SF energy surrounds him defying all the effects that kind of manouver would create, we all know what Flash would case if his mass was really infinite.Law of Physics are nullified from the SF energy.
Superman gets smacked down.
Originally posted by Juntai
Except that it's a known fact that Superman can see and react to Flash while he's going. Like I mentioned earlier, in one issue, he looked around and did all the mathematical caculations in his head in and stepped right in front of Wally while he was running all over the place. Wally skidded to a stop. Also, in Sacrifice Superman not only moved and reacted faster than Wally, but outsmarted him as well as far as combat tactics went. And rendered him useless to the battle. If he had to, Superman obliterates the a world sized chunk of the 'featureless environment" with heat vision. This IS bloodlust right? Dodge that. You guys should know Bloodlusted Superman has no known peak for speed, stength, etc.
Originally posted by K3VIL
Flash can enter into the SF in FAR, FAR LESS than a second.
How can Supes punch him while he's into the SF Dimension?
Heat Vision my ass.
Also in another comic a mage put a spell on Wally to where he was constantly running as fast as he could, and was about to start doing what Barry had done...and Jay Garrick and Superman were chasing him, and were only a couple strides behind him. Jay ended up taking Superman's speed and and tackling Wally to the ground. Wally isn't much faster than Superman, deal with it. And Superman bloodlusted is a whole new level.
If this is bloodlust, Flash takes all the kinetic energy from Supes. While Superman is motionless, Flash just pounds him with IMP's. We're stil not even sure if Supermans "aura" would protect him from the vibrational punch. Flash at bloodlust is going at lightspeeds and possible slightly faster without getting drawn into the speedforce. He would circle to Earth more than ten times in less than a second pounding Superman.
Heat vision you say? Flash goes intangible. No need to dodge cause he just goes right through it.
Wally isnt much faster than Superman? Ohh but he is.
Fastest.
1. Wally
2. Barry
3. Jessie
4. Max Mercury/Superman
5. Jay
6. Bart
I doubt Superman is faster than Jessie, but ill even give him the benefit of the doubt and say he COULD be equal to her in speed. Supermans not even faster than Barry. Wally >>>Barry in terms of speed.
Originally posted by jrodslamAnd one of the first times Wally entered the speed force... who did he see...? Max Mercury. "I didn't know you where this fast..." You moot your point. And Barry outside of a few and far between feets is the slowest on that list. And what happened to Jessie? I'm not sure she exists anymore.
Wally isnt much faster than Superman? Ohh but he is.Fastest.
1. Wally
2. Barry
3. Jessie
4. Max Mercury/Superman
5. Jay
6. BartI doubt Superman is faster than Jessie, but ill even give him the benefit of the doubt and say he COULD be equal to her in speed. Supermans not even faster than Barry. Wally >>>Barry in terms of speed.
Originally posted by Juntai
And one of the first times Wally entered the speed force... who did he see...? Max Mercury. "I didn't know you where this fast..." You moot your point. And Barry outside of a few and far between feets is the slowest on that list. And what happened to Jessie? I'm not sure she exists anymore.
How do i moot my point? Max ercury was the first one ever to enter the speed force. Wally wasnt always as fsat as he is now. Whats your point? Barry the slowest on the list? Obviously you know nothing of the speedsters. Superman NEVER beat Barry. SO if Barry is slowerst on the list, what does that tell you about Superman? I dont think Jessie is dead, but i do know that she doesnt have her superspeed anymore. However when she did, Superman wasnt faster than her. If so, it was only slightly.
Originally posted by Juntai
And as a matter of fact, Jay is way way up on the list. He's entered the speed force and became one with it and came back as energy when he was battling his version of the reverse Flash. He's also time traveled a few times, without the treadmill. Same with Max, Max isn't from our timeline.
When was this? Jay entering the speedforce and coming back as pure energy?
Originally posted by jrodslamAnd what about all the comics I've mentioned on Barry NOT being way faster than Superman? You're just saying "He's faster because he can use the speedforce", when comics have proven time and time again that this isn't the truth. Any time he's raced any of them he's always been neck and neck with them the whole time, and several times outside of that in actual situations Superman has proven to be the superior over and over again.
How do i moot my point? Max ercury was the first one ever to enter the speed force. Wally wasnt always as fsat as he is now. Whats your point? Barry the slowest on the list? Obviously you know nothing of the speedsters. Superman NEVER beat Barry. SO if Barry is slowerst on the list, what does that tell you about Superman? I dont think Jessie is dead, but i do know that she doesnt have her superspeed anymore. However when she did, Superman wasnt faster than her. If so, it was only slightly.
Originally posted by jrodslamEarly New JSA I beleive it was, he had gotten rid of his reverse Flash by having him go into the speedforce and dissapearing like Barry, but he came back, and Jay tapped into it as well and did the very same thing, and they were both blurrs of energy. The reverse flash was after him and his wife. He looked identical to KC Flash.
When was this? Jay entering the speedforce and coming back as pure energy?
Originally posted by Juntai
Early New JSA I beleive it was, he had gotten rid of his reverse Flash by having him go into the speedforce and dissapearing like Barry, but he came back, and Jay tapped into it as well and did the very same thing, and they were both blurrs of energy. The reverse flash was after him and his wife. He looked identical to KC Flash.
Well i dont know much about that, but from a Flash site, it says.....
"Shortly after the Flash’s debut, Dr. Edward Clariss, a chemistry teacher at Midwestern University, overheard a student “speculating” that his superhuman speed might be related to chemicals in one of the labs. An explosion in the lab had since damaged many of the supplies, but he found a sample of the hard water formula that had indeed given the Flash his speed and began working on a similar formula. Laughed at by his fellow scientists, he left for Europe where he gained fame... but for other discoveries.
[The Rival: 1949] Bitter at being rejected by the scientific community, he eventually took his temporary speed formula, returned to Keystone City, and hired criminals to form a super-speed gang and draw out the Flash. Calling himself the Rival, he donned a darker version of the Flash’s costume—with a mask—and tracked the Flash down. The altercation was brief, ending when Clariss’ formula ran out. His identity revealed, Clariss was arrested.
A few months later, his speed returned, and he broke out of prison. Pursued by the Flash, he broke lightspeed... and vanished. In retrospect, it seemed he had run into the Speed Force.
Decades later, he reappeared with the new Injustice Society, having been brought back from the Speed Force after 50 years by Johnny Sorrow—in exchange for killing the Flash (JSA #16, 2000). Because his powers had been temporary, the Speed Force ate him alive for half a century, driving him from simple criminality to insanity. Once out, he cut a bloody swath across America, spelling out his name on the map, enticing the Flash to race him into the Speed Force. Jay escaped only by absorbing the Rival’s speed... leaving what remained of the Rival even more bent on revenge.
The Rival, now pure energy, was last seen in possession of Max Mercury’s body, escaping in a time sphere to a unknown era."
It didnt say anything about Jay entering the speedforce as well. Only that he absorbed Rival's speed.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Well i dont know much about that, but from a Flash site, it says....."Shortly after the Flash’s debut, Dr. Edward Clariss, a chemistry teacher at Midwestern University, overheard a student “speculating” that his superhuman speed might be related to chemicals in one of the labs. An explosion in the lab had since damaged many of the supplies, but he found a sample of the hard water formula that had indeed given the Flash his speed and began working on a similar formula. Laughed at by his fellow scientists, he left for Europe where he gained fame... but for other discoveries.
[The Rival: 1949] Bitter at being rejected by the scientific community, he eventually took his temporary speed formula, returned to Keystone City, and hired criminals to form a super-speed gang and draw out the Flash. Calling himself the Rival, he donned a darker version of the Flash’s costume—with a mask—and tracked the Flash down. The altercation was brief, ending when Clariss’ formula ran out. His identity revealed, Clariss was arrested.
A few months later, his speed returned, and he broke out of prison. Pursued by the Flash, he broke lightspeed... and vanished. In retrospect, it seemed he had run into the Speed Force.
Decades later, he reappeared with the new Injustice Society, having been brought back from the Speed Force after 50 years by Johnny Sorrow—in exchange for killing the Flash (JSA #16, 2000). Because his powers had been temporary, the Speed Force ate him alive for half a century, driving him from simple criminality to insanity. Once out, he cut a bloody swath across America, spelling out his name on the map, enticing the Flash to race him into the Speed Force. Jay escaped only by absorbing the Rival’s speed... leaving what remained of the Rival even more bent on revenge.
The Rival, now pure energy, was last seen in possession of Max Mercury’s body, escaping in a time sphere to a unknown era."
It didnt say anything about Jay entering the speedforce as well. Only that he absorbed Rival's speed.
Originally posted by Juntai
And he entered the speedforce... and came back and was a being of energy... which is what I said. Read the comic.
So tell me, what happened after he came back as pure energy? Presonally i dont believe you. It would be nice if you were to prove it.
Ive never heard of Jay entering the speed force without the use of the cosmic treadmil. Hes barely faster than Bart.
Don't believe what exactly?
You just showed me a comic summary of Jay entering the speedforce without the treadmill. ..?
And what does any of this have to do with what I said earlier: what about all the comics I've mentioned on Barry NOT being way faster than Superman? You're just saying "He's faster because he can use the speedforce", when comics have proven time and time again that this isn't the truth. Any time he's raced any of them he's always been neck and neck with them the whole time, and several times outside of that in actual situations Superman has proven to be the superior over and over again.
You never did cover that. Why dodge it and make attempts at moot points over and over?