Originally posted by Fishy
Then your country is seriously ****ed up..Oh and btw you don't know if you speak the truth, unles you know something more about this story then i do, but i doubt it
i have 2 family mambers who are cops in 2 major NJ cities which of coarse contain ghettos and gangs within those ghettos...well one just retired. they have to deal with this shit day in and day out and i get to hear all about it whenever i see them...not that i have a choice.
Originally posted by finti
or they could have just a language that triggered the reaction of the teens.
even so it doesnt make sense it shouldnt have happened but it did. Hate crime or not, it is events teens shouldnt participate in or experience
You said that a few times already. While it is true that the violence shouldn't happen regardless of racism or not, it makes it a lot worse. It's kind of like saying 'Whether you steal a cookie or steal a diamond, you shouldn't steal regardless'.
Racism is one thing, beating up four girls (30 black gang members beating up four white girls? You just can't say it's not racism.) is another. This is a combination of both.
that saddest thing is that a vast majority of the population of these ghettos feel the same way about these gangs as those on the outside. difference is we see it in the news and they see it out their windows.
and recently, thanks to popular culture...gangs are all over the frikin place. even gangs of white kids in white suburbia. so forget about pinning this on blacks.
Originally posted by PVS
well let me briefly explain.according to those 'teens' (gangbanger scumbags) that park is 'their' park.
its a territory thing. so, according to them, those girls should have kissed their ass and run out of the park out of respect, because lord knows they deserve respect 🙄
so when that didnt happen, they ran their cowardly asses to their friends and said something along the lines of "these *insert racial slur* wont get the f*** off of our court. lets go stomp these *insert racial slur*
and thats pretty much how it works here
This is not a hate crime because these girls were not beaten because they are white. Had the girls been black, they would have received the same treament, only instead of being called "crackers," the would have been called something else.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is not a hate crime because these girls were not beaten [b]because they are white. Had the girls been black, they would have received the same treament, only instead of being called "crackers," the would have been called something else. [/B]
hmmmmm....good point
however, hypothetical circumstances aside, since they WERE screaming racial slurs, its a bias crime.
forgot to add:
once again i agree--if they were black and refused to get off the court they would have been stomped...BUT...there is also the events which took place between the time the kids left the court and came back with an angry mob.
that is where the line was crossed into bias-land i think. you have to ask "what did those kids say to everyone else that got them so riled up". did they evoke feelings of terriroriality? doubt it. did they evoke feelings of racism and hatred for white people? i would bet the farm on that.
so it started out as nonbias and became bias as a result of what those kids did/said to cause that riot.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is not a hate crime because these girls were not beaten [b]because they are white. Had the girls been black, they would have received the same treament, only instead of being called "crackers," the would have been called something else. [/B]
No, if it had been four black girls, they would have just rapped them.
Originally posted by PVS
that is where the line was crossed into bias-land i think. you have to ask "what did those kids say to everyone else that got them so riled up". did they evoke feelings of terriroriality? doubt it. did they evoke feelings of racism and hatred for white people? i would bet the farm on that.
Actually since adults intervened and told the other girls to wait their turn....I don't think the girls really said anything at all. I bet the girls that were told to wait their turn were just flat out pissed because they didn't get their way...and their was an adult to enforce it.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Actually since adults intervened and told the other girls to wait their turn....I don't think the girls really said anything at all. I bet the girls that were told to wait their turn were just flat out pissed because they didn't get their way...and their was an adult to enforce it.
perhaps you quoted the wrong post, but just in case you didnt,
i was not refering to what the adults or white girls said.
the teens left the park and came back with a mob. you have to get a mob worked up and motivate them to riot, right? so what did those teens say to their peers to get them so damn angry? that was my point
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Thanks all, but I don't need everyone to chastise me for speaking to my boyfriend.
hey, i find nothing wrong with a twisted sense of humor, but there is a time and a place for everything and this isnt the time or place. what kind of reaction do you think i would get if i posted 'dead baby' jokes in the abortion thread?
Originally posted by PVS
hey, i find nothing wrong with a twisted sense of humor, but there is a time and a place for everything and this isnt the time or place. what kind of reaction do you think i would get if i posted 'dead baby' jokes in the abortion thread?
Actually, I think I have posted dead baby jokes in the abortion thread.
Originally posted by PVS
perhaps you quoted the wrong post, but just in case you didnt,
i was not refering to what the adults or white girls said.the teens left the park and came back with a mob. you have to get a mob worked up and motivate them to riot, right? so what did those teens say to their peers to get them so damn angry? that was my point
bleh...probably just said some "honkey ass white b*tches are on our court, lets go scare the sh!t out of them"
Then things probably got out of hand. I don't imagine they actually thought to bring 30 people strictly for the purpose of kicking 4 girls asses. I just think one person probably took it too far and then everyone got carried away.