Originally posted by Linkalicious
bleh...probably just said some "honkey ass white b*tches are on our court, lets go scare the sh!t out of them"Then things probably got out of hand. I don't imagine they actually thought to bring 30 people strictly for the purpose of kicking 4 girls asses. I just think one person probably took it too far and then everyone got carried away.
I guess thats why they call it a "gang mentality"
I agree with Adam_PoE, even if the girls were black, they would've
been beaten anyway. The fact that they were white just meant
that the thugs could racialize it.
In other words, I don't think race started the attack, but it helped
heat it up.
Oh, and this "hate crime" idea is nonesense. There shouldn't even
be such a term in the law. Who knows what's in the assailant's head?
Remember the russian (?) kid who shot Bill Cosby's son? Many in
the black community (including mrs. Cosby) said it was racism.
Nonesense ofcourse, he was shot because he was driving a fancy car.
Besdies, no crime should be seen as worse because the perpetrator
was motivated by race as opposed to other factors. Would having a
friend murdered because of his wallet make it less criminal than if he
was murdered because of his race?
Re: Non-Biased Attack.
ok, lets all read the article again.
its plain to see that it started as non bias and became bias. either:
-the second those kids ran home and got an angry mob together,
it became racist.
or
-if that adult made a racist remark to those teens, THEN it became racially fueled
regardless of who pulled the race card, it happened. how could it be any more blatant? its elementary ffs. in fact, what the adult said is inconcequential in whether or not it was a bias crime. whether he/she said racial slurs or politely asked the kids to let the girls play, the fact stands that racism was involved. racism started that riot. thats what drove those kids mad, not some freaking basketball court.
those kids ran back to their friends and got them stirred up enough that 30 of them came back screaming racial slurs. like i brought up before, what do you think those people were told? do you think they had no idea those girls were white and all just spontainiously shouted 'white cracker' when they first saw them? c'mon people, common sense.
They obviously looked into it! Don't you think they would have said something about it if that had been the case? They didn't say anything racist, otherwise it would be an entire different situation. Duh.
The truth is that they didn't like being told what to do by a white person, so they got tons of other black people to retaliate like that. You don't think that that's the way it works, but it does. That's the way they are. If you don't believe me, I'll show you a video after I find it.
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
They obviously looked into it! Don't you think they would have said something about it if that had been the case? They didn't say anything racist, otherwise it would be an entire different situation. Duh.
wow, that 'duh' just turned all your assumption into fact. or so you would like to think 😬
Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
The truth is that they didn't like being told what to do by a white person, so they got tons of other black people to retaliate like that. You don't think that that's the way it works, but it does. That's the way they are. If you don't believe me, I'll show you a video after I find it.
thats the way 'they' are? not the way i 'think it works'?
the way i 'think it works' and what hapened are two different things. although i make assumptions, i will not declare them as factual. why dont you follow the same example? there are patterns of violence which can be used for example, which i have done. however, you were not there, so i guess you dont know for sure, huh?
Originally posted by PVS
wow, that 'duh' just turned all your assumption into fact. or so you would like to think 😬
Yeah, it is very obvious that the gangsters would have very readily said that they were the victims of racial comments and it would be in the article, instead of just 'After adults intervened and asked them to wait their turn'. Very obvious.
The way you're looking at it, if the adults said something racist which they didn't because it would have been revealed in court and we would know about it, you seem to think that if they did say something then it would be justified for them to get 30 people to beat up gour girls and be racist against them.
Racial epithets may have been uttered but that does not make this a race motivated crime. Had the mob called them "fat bitches" instead, would you insist that this was a crime motivated by size discrimination? The girls were beaten up because they would not let the other group of girls use the basketball court. They likely returned to the basketball court with a larger group of people to intimmidate the girls into leaving and things got out of hand. If it had been their plan to return with the sole purpose of beating the girls up, then the girls were going to get beaten up regardless of what color they are.
" you seem to think that if they did say something then it would be justified for them to get 30 people to beat up gour girls and be racist against them."
so you're way of 'winning' this arguement is to put words in my mouth? weak dude....weak.
all i say is that we dont know for sure. i have argued for your case in fact, but you cant cross the line and declare it as fact. why is that so difficult to wrap your noodle around?
So, let me get this straight? An acty motivated by anger can't become racial?
If a white man beat a black man because the black man stole his wallet and in the process, the white man called him a ****** or some other outrageous racial slur, then the beating wouldn't have been edged on by racial issues? I know if a black man stole my wallet, and I had the chance to do something about it, it would be getting my wallet back and getting the hell away from him. I wouldn't beat the black man and shout racial slurs at him...unless I didn't like black people before my wallet was stolen.
Now, I understand the point is that the kids wanted their basketball court(which is ironic in and of itself) and would have attacked anyone that stood in the way, but the point that I'm making really has little to do with this incident. My point is that the possibility of racism exists in all races.
well, its more like this. a black man mugs you and you run and tell your friends 'some n***** just stole my wallet!' and you and your buddies go after him shouting racial slurs...then YEAH its bias.
think about it, unless someone is attacked EXCLUSIVELY because of your race, then technically nothing is racially bias. but is that very realistic? its not a black and white issue (no play on words intended), but rather a grey. the element of racism escalated the violence. they obviously hated white people, and obviously voiced that (in whatever ignorant way they did).
what i mean is, race didnt CAUSE it, but was a tremendous factor, fueling the fire...well...turning it into a towering inferno
Originally posted by PVS
" you seem to think that if they did say something then it would be justified for them to get 30 people to beat up gour girls and be racist against them."so you're way of 'winning' this arguement is to put words in my mouth? weak dude....weak.
all i say is that we dont know for sure. i have argued for your case in fact, but you cant cross the line and declare it as fact. why is that so difficult to wrap your noodle around?
Anyway, like I said before, if the adults said something racist, it would have been reported, and it wasn't, therefore it didn't happen. Duh.