I don't doubt that Galactus is more powerful than Thor. I'm sure a Galactus coming AFTER Thor would crush Thor. If I believed otherwise, I wouldn't be here arguing that Magneto could take Thor. What I'm saying is that Galactus wasn't trying to fight Thor, but Thor, with a godblast nearly killed Galactus. That same godblast and several variations of it had no effect on a Celestial. That's a BIG difference.
Originally posted by demigawd
Like I said above, the "Galactus has made more appearances so he'll have more bad showings" excuse only works if he also had more good showings. He hasn't. The Celestials have had more good showings in their limited time than Galactus has had.Don't give me the bad writing BS. I could name 10 bad showings right now and if you just dismiss them all as bad writing, then there's no point debating. I don't go around dismissing his good showings as bad writing, and it's gotten to the point where his bad showings outnumber his good showings...it's become part of his character. He's just being de-powered.
Additionally, most readers have the habit of assuming that if Galactus got owned it's because he MUST have been hungry. But it's never referenced as such in the actual storyline. When Galactus was getting beaten up by Tyrant...he wasn't hungry. When being killed over and over by Abraxas, he wasn't hungry. When he fought QUASAR to a draw, he wasn't hungry. When he was altered by the Black Celestial, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by the Phoenix Force, he wasn't hungry. When he was beaten by Thor TWICE, he wasn't hungry. When the best he could manage against Mephisto was a draw, he wasn't hungry. Ditto with Agamotto. Do I have to go on, or has my point been made?
Celestials, on the other hand, have had a single bad showings. Everything else has been far above Galactus.
Well let see.
1)-Tyrant beating Galacuts??? Galactus defeated Tyrant when he was full powered (his size- The current one is much weaker) --- -
QUASAR - he is at surfer's level now him talking Galactus (bad writing again)
Phoenix Force- Is above Galactus. (no problem there)
Thor -- Ya when most of time surfer kicks his ass. Him beating Galactus is normal??? And remember what happened when he tired to stop Galactus from consuming the planet ( couldn’t do jack shit)
A weak ass Galactus - Nearly Killed - Everyone on MU earth.
Now people like Quasar, Thor beating him?? That’s just stupid especially since he has already shown they are nothing but insects.
Galactus is one of the most UNERRATED beings in the MU. You need to understand how powerful he is...Galactus is the abstract that is physical. Do you have any idea how powerful he is?
Now read this and read it carefully. It is not Galactus' fault that he is USED TO ILLUSTRATE OTHER PEOPLE'S POWER POTENTIAL. What do I mean by this? Galactus is INFINITELY more powerful than thor...but him being hurt by the Godforce is used to illustrate how powerful thor can be...he's getting a beating all the time to prove a point. That point...is the EXCEPTION to the rule.
Galactus is above most celestials...he is like one of the top celestials, though I would estimate he's below TOAA.
And the more I read the vs threads, the more retarded they get. They always turn in to...COULD the underdog beat the more powerful character. COULD magneto(the underdog) beat Thor. Yes...yes magneto with all hsi new powers COULD beat thor. But face it...you all know that THor is the favorite to win. So who should win this thread....THOR should.
It's like that canonball vs Gladiator debate. Everyone know gladiator is infinitely more powerful...BUt yes canonball COULD beat gladiator if he could fully control his ability to absorb any physical attack. Remember...EXCEPTION TO THE RULE
PS: Where'd all those Marvel Hierarchy and DC hierarchy threads dissappear to?
Originally posted by kgkg
He wasn’t hungry than how do you explain theseWell let see.
1)-Tyrant beating Galacuts??? Galactus defeated Tyrant when he was full powered (his size- The current one is much weaker) --- -
Incorrect - Galactus consumed a planet to achieve full power AND he consumed the planet Tyrant was using as the source of his power. It not only strengthened Galactus, it weakened Tyrant. That was in SS #106.
Not only that, but Galactus STILL couldn't beat Tyrant. They were fighting to a draw (a FULL POWERED Galactus and a REDUCED POWER Tyrant), when Galactus activated his world ship to trap and contain Tyrant and drain his powers off. Tyrant reversed it, taking control of G's own ship and used it to drain Galactus dry instead, knocking G out in the process.
Keep in mind that this is the same Tyrant, who a couple of issues before, was unable to put down Thanos.
Galactus = Skyfather.
QUASAR - he is at surfer's level now him talking Galactus (bad writing again)
Given G's other showings, I'm not so sure it is bad writing. G fought Tyrant to a draw but at some point had an edge, Tyrant fought Thanos to a draw but had an edge, Thanos fights Quasar to a draw but had an edge. Thanos fought Galactus to a draw until G's servants distracts Thanos long enough for G to re-appear. Thanos later devised the means of killing Galactus if he wanted to. The degrees of separation between them aren't pronounced enough in thieir interactions with each other to just call Qusar's performance against Galactus "bad writing". Quasar still faltered against Galactus, but the fact that he was able to stalemate him for any length of time is a testament to G's lack of true power.
Thor -- Ya when most of time surfer kicks his ass. Him beating Galactus is normal???
Remember what I said, G wasn't trying to fight Thor - he was ignoring Thor. Heh, I bet he won't do that again. But Thor did more damage to G than he did to a Celestial, and that's my point.
And remember what happened when he tired to stop Galactus from consuming the planet ( couldn’t do jack shit)
Actually, I don't remember this. I remember that being the case with Beta Ray Bill, but when did this happen with Thor?
A weak ass Galactus - Nearly Killed - Everyone on MU earth.
Until he got knocked out by the Thing, LMAO.
Now people like Quasar, Thor beating him?? That’s just stupid especially since he has already shown they are nothing but insects.
Guess Galactus was out of bug spray.
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A weak ass Galactus - Nearly Killed - Everyone on MU earth.
Until he got knocked out by the Thing, LMAO.
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Now people like Quasar, Thor beating him?? That’s just stupid especially since he has already shown they are nothing but insects.
Guess Galactus was out of bug spray."
Since when hav u been this funny demi. I like. 😆 😆
Originally posted by JWangSDC
Galactus is one of the most UNERRATED beings in the MU. You need to understand how powerful he is...Galactus is the abstract that is physical. Do you have any idea how powerful he is?
I was hoping you were about to tell me but...guess not.
Now read this and read it carefully. It is not Galactus' fault that he is USED TO ILLUSTRATE OTHER PEOPLE'S POWER POTENTIAL. What do I mean by this? Galactus is INFINITELY more powerful than thor...but him being hurt by the Godforce is used to illustrate how powerful thor can be...he's getting a beating all the time to prove a point. That point...is the EXCEPTION to the rule.
the rule of the exception is that it's exceptional in nature. When the exception becomes the rule, it's no longer an exception. Does that make sense? If not, I'll put it to you another way:
Let's play a game. For every high showing of Galactus you name, I'll name a low showing. Let's see who runs out of showings first. I'll bet you will. And if that's the case, then it's clearly not the exception, because it's not exceptional...it's typical.
Galactus is above most celestials...he is like one of the top celestials, though I would estimate he's below TOAA.
And this is based on....?
Look, I understand and sympathize with Galactus and his supporters. I actually WANT Galactus to be more powerful than Celestials. I think he SHOULD be, since he's unique in nature and unique in his role in the universe. He should be unbeatable by any physical being in the universe, and should be able to dismiss or molecularly unmake people like Thor with a gesture. But if we are going to have civilized, fair debates on even ground, we simply cannot just go by what we WANT things to be. The only common ground we have in these discussions are showings - canonical evidence of feats that characters have performed. And regardless of how important we're TOLD G's role is, his showings are the only valid way to guage where he - or anybody else - stands in the hierarchy. And going by showings, his feats, his battles, the things he's done, he simply does not match up with Celestials. I wish it were different, as I'm sure all of you do. But it's just not the case, and I feel bad for him, I honestly do. I just can't, in good conscience, look at the objective evidence and conclude that Galactus has proven to be more powerful than any Celestials.
And the more I read the vs threads, the more retarded they get. They always turn in to...COULD the underdog beat the more powerful character. COULD magneto(the underdog) beat Thor. Yes...yes magneto with all hsi new powers COULD beat thor. But face it...you all know that THor is the favorite to win. So who should win this thread....THOR should.
If you were simply going by favorites vs. underdogs, there's no point in having a comic vs. thread. The point is to compare their abilities, feats, showings and prior battles (if any) and come to a conclusion about how they might stack up against each other. Thor has greater feats, but Magneto has shown the ability to remove Thor's greatest weapon and block Thor's attacks. People who side with feats, will side with Thor. People who said with prior encounters and the nature of their powers will side with Magneto. Given that Magneto, two evolutions ago, was able to beat Thor and the Avengers at the same time, is proof enough for me that he not only COULD, but WOULD beat Thor in combat. Given he now has reality-manipulating powers, that actually makes Magneto the favorite, and most people on this thread have agreed with that.
This is exactly why you are wrong. Read what you just told me...and I hope you can realize why you are wrong. If not, let me poitn it out.
Comics do not have every showing for every character, we have not seen the billions and billions of feats Galactus has accomplished. That's my point...his showings in comics are his exceptions....the rule...is not published. No one is going to read comic after comic of galactus doing the same thing....eating a world and destroying powerful beings. Those type of acts just get mentioned briefly.
Originally posted by demigawd
I was hoping you were about to tell me but...guess not.the rule of the exception is that it's exceptional in nature. When the exception becomes the rule, it's no longer an exception. Does that make sense? If not, I'll put it to you another way:
Let's play a game. For every high showing of Galactus you name, I'll name a low showing. Let's see who runs out of showings first. I'll bet you will. And if that's the case, then it's clearly not the exception, because it's not exceptional...it's typical.
If you were simply going by favorites vs. underdogs, there's no point in having a comic vs. thread. The point is to compare their abilities, feats, showings and prior battles (if any) and come to a conclusion about how they might stack up against each other. Thor has greater feats, but Magneto has shown the ability to remove Thor's greatest weapon and block Thor's attacks. People who side with feats, will side with Thor. People who said with prior encounters and the nature of their powers will side with Magneto. Given that Magneto, two evolutions ago, was able to beat Thor and the Avengers at the same time, is proof enough for me that he not only COULD, but WOULD beat Thor in combat. Given he now has reality-manipulating powers, that actually makes Magneto the favorite, and most people on this thread have agreed with that.
Originally posted by JWangSDC
This is exactly why you are wrong. Read what you just told me...and I hope you can realize why you are wrong. If not, let me poitn it out.Comics do not have every showing for every character, we have not seen the billions and billions of feats Galactus has accomplished. That's my point...his showings in comics are his exceptions....the rule...is not published. No one is going to read comic after comic of galactus doing the same thing....eating a world and destroying powerful beings. Those type of acts just get mentioned briefly.
Wait, wait, wait. Did you just say that Galactus' showings in comics are his exceptions? Holy bejesus! You do realize that Galactus is a comic book character, right? His showings in comics are his ONLY showings. They're not the exception, they're not the rule, they're EVERYTHING. There's no way you can conclude that Galactus does AWE-INSPIRING things off-panel that put his on-panel self to shame.
Has Galactus eaten lots of planet that we don't know about? Yeah. But that's what he's supposed to do - that wouldn't improve my view of him in the least. And if he somehow beat Arishem at some point off-panel, you can be sure as heck that we'd hear about it. Just like Odin saying that he repelled Galactus off-panel long ago.
So, YES, you CLEARLY have to go by showings. To suggest that you have to also go by unnamed battles that never appeared in comic books that no one has ever mentioned anywhere is ridiculousness of the highest order. You could work at a McDonald's stockroom with all the straw you're grasping at with that reasoning.
Originally posted by demigawd
[B]Incorrect - Galactus consumed a planet to achieve full power AND he consumed the planet Tyrant was using as the source of his power. It not only strengthened Galactus, it weakened Tyrant. That was in SS #106.
Keep in mind that this is the same Tyrant, who a couple of issues before, was unable to put down Thanos.Galactus = Skyfather.
Have you seen anyone put down Thanos?(not many) He was getting his ass kicked surviving just shows how durable he is. (Odin, Galactus , Tyrant)
Given G's other showings, I'm not so sure it is bad writing. G fought Tyrant to a draw but at some point had an edge, Tyrant fought Thanos to a draw but had an edge, Thanos fights Quasar to a draw but had an edge. Thanos fought Galactus to a draw until G's servants distracts Thanos long enough for G to re-appear. Thanos later devised the means of killing Galactus if he wanted to. The degrees of separation between them aren't pronounced enough in thieir interactions with each other to just call Qusar's performance against Galactus "bad writing". Quasar still faltered against Galactus, but the fact that he was able to stalemate him for any length of time is a testament to G's lack of true power.
Thanos fought Galactus to a draw you call that draw??? Thanos clearly acknowledged that Galactus is far beyond his powers.
And remember the same thanos was making fun of Odin’s attacks.
Until he got knocked out by the Thing, LMAO
Originally posted by kgkg
I said he won -- how is that incorrect. LMAO which he did (no matter how he did it)
you missed the part where I said, "and even then, he still couldn't beat Tyrant". Galactus didn't beat him because he was too busy being unconscious on the ground. Morg ended up blowing them all up with the Ultimate Nullifier.
Have you seen anyone put down Thanos?(not many) He was getting his ass kicked surviving just shows how durable he is. (Odin, Galactus , Tyrant)
Do you think that Thanos could take a full blast from a Celestial and be ok? The same Celestial that casually melted the Destroyer, powered by Odin and ALL of Asgard? The weakest Celestial turned Thor into a frog and instantly ended a battle before it even started. If Galactus could do that he would have and ended the treat of Thor beforehand.
Thanos fought Galactus to a draw you call that draw??? Thanos clearly acknowledged that Galactus is far beyond his powers.
Thanos did a lot more damage to Galactus than he did to Odin, that's for sure.
And remember the same thanos was making fun of Odin’s attacks.
if by "make fun" you mean saying stuff like, "AAAARRRRRRGH", then yeah I agree.
lol ya thing can sure do that.
Except he did, lol.
Originally posted by demigawd
1. Galactus wasn't hungry when he was BEATEN and SPARED by the Phoenix, and he wasn't hungry or weak when he encountered Thor either time. Fanboys love using that excuse, like Galactus is perpetually starving. He's not...he's just not that powerful. high end Skyfather at most.
One encounter he was, the other one Phoenix didn't do sh!t. Absorbing her would mean the end of the universe as destroying Galactus would; that's why Galactus didn't continue consuming her.
High end skyfather? :laughs: The highest there is is Odin or Rune Thor. 2nd version of Tyrant is equal to or more powerful than Odin.
2. Thor with a godblast nearly killed Galactus. Thor with multiple godblasts put a small hole in a Celestial that he jumped into (the Celestial was unharmed). He later learned that the Celestial simply allowed him to do it so it could examine his hammer.
The same guy who couldn't put down Juggernaut with a godblast? The same Thor who has problems with Hulk? Kurse trashed both Thor and Beta Ray Bill.
3. Thor cracking Celestial armor, even if the Celestial allowed it, is still a HUGE feat because it still takes temendous force to break through the armor. Celestials, because of their reality/matter manipultion can prevent that from taking place, but it chose not to. Hence, it's both a good showing for Thor that he was able to get through and a good showing for a Celestial in that Thor's Galactus-felling blow did no damage to the Celestial that the Celestial didn't allow to happen.
Yup, what a feat it is but he couldn't do it against Juggernaut, Hulk, or Kurse? The Wrecker's given Thor trouble.
4. Galactus has more appearances than Celestials, yet has both MORE low end showings and FEWER high end showings. A low ranked Celestial beat Protege, who YANKED Mephisto out of his realm over and over and terrified Mephisto like nobody before ever did. If Galactus had power anything like that, he wouldnt' need to fight Mephisto in his own realm...he'd yank him out of it.
🙄 Black Panther and Strange have pulled Mephisto out as well. You only need sufficient spells. Warlock was kicking Mephisto's butt outside his realm. What's your point? Meph is weak out of his realm. What Protege beats Meph in hell realm - you'd have something. Galactus beat Meph in his own realm. All you've proven is that Protege beat a weak Meph.
5. Odin and Seth's battle DID destroy galaxies. quote: "Long dead galaxies are shattered. Dying stars are reignited". And shaking the MULTIVERSE is more impressive than destroying galaxies anyway. Again, Galactus' "mighty" feat you mentioned is matched by lowly Odin. Galactus is just a skyfather. Accept it.
? So they destroyed "long dead galaxies." Kicking a dead horse when it's down is a feat to you? :laughs:
As for shaking multiverse :laughs:, even Thanos with the IG's fight with Eternity, Death, Galactus, Celestials, Choas, Order, etc. didn't "shake the multiverse." I guess this feat of Odin and Seth is above Thanos with the IG's. 🙄
No its not. Anytime someone is on the astral plane or under some kind of mind control, when they're hooked to scanner and monitors, the electronics show it in the physical change to the brain waves. Magneto himself was able to show the changes a telepathic command has on the brain when he did an MRI on Shola in Excalibur - he DREW the physical changes with his own power to create x-rays. Then he manipulated it back. Magneto also undid Doom's mental programming on Beast. So yes, telepathy are very much commands to alter one's electrical impulses to the brain, and yes Magneto can and has affected that, and yes, Thor, being a humanoid is just as suspecptible to that. How strong he is or how durable he is has nothing to do with his ability to control himself at a molecular level - he can't do it. That;s why Magneto wins.Nah, of course it doesn't matter that Thor ain't human or that Thor can do things most asgardians can't: controlling weather, class 100, open stargates, fight guys like Ulik. Just cause he's humanoid, doesn't mean he's as susceptible to it as someone like Bast is.
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It doesn't matter if Asgardian biology is superior. Magneto isn't infecting Thor with an STD, he's changing his brain chemistry. Superior biology won't mean jack when the electrical impulses in your brain are changing and you don't have the power to change it back. There's absolutely nothing thor can do about this.
And you know this for a fact. 😂
Thor's mind operates like everybody else's because it's based on a humanoid mind - it's structured the same, and works the same, which means it's prone to the same things, like changing the electrical impulses in it to achieve telepathic effects more efficiently.
? So does Surfer, gods, helllords, and Elder Gods. What's your point?
So anything Thor does, Magneto has a counter for it. Then Magneto takes over Thor's mind, after he takes his hammer, and tells Thor to smash his own head against the wall forever.
You mean a godblast? Maybe Magneto can counter thick mist, hurricanes, and tornados Thor throws at Magneto.
Originally posted by demigawd
you missed the part where I said, "and even then, he still couldn't beat Tyrant". Galactus didn't beat him because he was too busy being unconscious on the ground. Morg ended up blowing them all up with the Ultimate Nullifier.
I was talking about the battle that happened eon's ago. (Tyrant at birth—he was much stronger)
Do you think that Thanos could take a full blast from a Celestial and be ok? The same Celestial that casually melted the Destroyer, powered by Odin and ALL of Asgard? The weakest Celestial turned Thor into a frog and instantly ended a battle before it even started. If Galactus could do that he would have and ended the treat of Thor beforehand.
He took shoot from Galactus I don't see why not. (someone who can destroy galaxies)
The same type of attack that nearly killed everyone on MU earth.
Galactus is well cable of massive destruction (already shown he can destroy galaxies)
Celestial what’s the most impressive the have done? Move planet? Can they destroy galaxies (normal celestial) if so then Thanos still can take it?
See Celestial don’t have any bad showing (that I can remember), while galactus has ton (which contradicts with his capabilities)
Thanos did a lot more damage to Galactus than he did to Odin, that's for sure.
if by "make fun" you mean saying stuff like, "AAAARRRRRRGH", then yeah I agree.
Hey common every one say AARHH.
Except he did, lol.
Originally posted by demigawd
[B]All the abstracts are equal in power - they control universal elements. The only "abstract" that's ever been stated to be below Galactus is the in-betweener, and most people acknowledge that he's not really an abstract.
'Kay now name me the abstracts (aside from Eternity, Death, Chaos, and Order) that's above Galactus.
Abstracts don't get involved in those kinds of affairs. It generally takes something like the IG saga to get the mobilized because they're generally sworn to just play their universal role. So they wouldn't get involved in Abraxas. Your examples would be valid if they tried and failed to beat Abraxas - they didn't try, so saying that proves nothing.
Funny, that was an IG saga. Infinity Wars, Magus used the combined cosmic cubes from different realities to put Eternity into a catatonic state. That's not something they should get involved in?
If they were sworn to their role, why'd they even bother joining the cosmic bridgade to stop Thanos? Shouldn't they have just play their universal role and leave Thanos to do as he pleases? All he wanted was to replace Eternity, even LT acknowledged that and didn't interfere when Thanos had the IG.
That's my point - he said that because Galactus appeared larger in size that he must be more powerful. that's not the case.
It isn't. But that's not me argument.
Yeah, but in order to take power from Galactus, you have to have something that can override something that Galactus can do. Surfer isn't a universal power like you believe Galactus is. There's a world of difference between stealing his power and stealing the power of Galactus.
Yup, cosmic cube is greater than Galactus, that's why it would be logical for Doom to steal powers from a being weaker than him. 😆 Ever heard of Secret Wars. Doom did the same thing. He used Galactus ship to steal Galactus' powers. Then he used Galactus' power to fight the Beyonder and take Beyonder's powers.
And don't bring in this shit about Beyonder being reconned, he wasn't reconned yet. Doom needed one power to move up to another higher power level.
Doom, using ONLY a cosmic cube, was able to do it. That shows that it was able to override Galactus' self-control of his power. That's not impressive. You think Doom could do that to a Celestial? Please.
Sort of like Doom ONLY used his Earthly tech to steal powers from guys like Surfer and the Watcher.