lol nah it was the spoon..... lol what a name for a position. Anyhoo....
Well, it just seems to me that christianity is a little bit ah you stepped outta line, up yours. Like if you've sinned you've got a one way ticket to hell, this isn't from the teachings i've read, its from the ppl that follow it, i found this link on another thread, which is just extremist morons, but extremist christian morons none the less.....
Originally posted by Jedi_KnightAlly
Hmm, question for anyone who wishes to answer..... me and my girlfriend are both perfectly nice ppl,both working hard at uni, yet being 18 and 19, have had sex together, why condemn us to hell because we've had sex? I don't see why any religon has problems with couples in our position.
Mind u, i'd be quite intrested to see what religon's answers are to this...
I'm replying according to my religon, so no one attack me please. 😉 Umm...anyway, I think there are several reasons, logical and spiritual. Ok, here're the reasons listed:
1: Having sex before marriage increases the chance of catching aids since you're more likely to break up than get divorced.
2: Sex or "making love" can be thought up as a sacred act of "joining" two souls and should only be preformed with one person, since then, you and they are "joined" in a manner of speaking.
3: Sex carries responsibility, but after marriage, you've already accepted responsibility.
4: Such an organized manner of marriage before sex, helps to seperate us from animals. (Excluding doves)
5: God said so (you're not supposed to question the lord)
All of these can be good reasons, because most religous morals HAVE logical purpose. There's a few other reasons. I think I heard some where that people who wait till marriage are more likely to enjoy sex with their spouse, as well as have a healthier relationship. Besides, if your 18, why not just get married? I mean, atleast in my religion it's better to get married than fall to the temptation of pre-marital sex.
BTW, the way you explain your age isn't exactly fair, plenty of people DO wait till marriage, religous or not. Also, unfortunately, many people have had sex long before that....oh wait, maybe that's what you meant, either way, that's an unfair accusation. But, I don't think you meant anything by it. 🙂
Originally posted by God Puppet
I'm replying according to my religon, so no one attack me please. 😉 Umm...anyway, I think there are several reasons, logical and spiritual. Ok, here're the reasons listed:1: Having sex before marriage increases the chance of catching aids since you're more likely to break up than get divorced.
2: Sex or "making love" can be thought up as a sacred act of "joining" two souls and should only be preformed with one person, since then, you and they are "joined" in a manner of speaking.
3: Sex carries responsibility, but after marriage, you've already accepted responsibility.
4: Such an organized manner of marriage before sex, helps to seperate us from animals. (Excluding doves)
5: God said so (you're not supposed to question the lord)
All of these can be good reasons, because most religous morals HAVE logical purpose. There's a few other reasons. I think I heard some where that people who wait till marriage are more likely to enjoy sex with their spouse, as well as have a healthier relationship. Besides, if your 18, why not just get married? I mean, atleast in my religion it's better to get married than fall to the temptation of pre-marital sex.BTW, the way you explain your age isn't exactly fair, plenty of people DO wait till marriage, religous or not. Also, unfortunately, many people have had sex long before that....oh wait, maybe that's what you meant, either way, that's an unfair accusation. But, I don't think you meant anything by it. 🙂
I have to say..those are some good reason.
Hmmm i wld have to say from my situation alone.....
1) We've got a strong enough bond to get married, we've already unofficially said we'll do it once we graduate, stupid to do it while a student
2) As for the aids thing, well we're both only going to ever have sex with each other, so thats out the window.
3) for the responsibility part, i have no answer as i can't think of a good one lol
4) You shouldn't question the lord.... but if u don't question things u'll never learn. Thats a very darkages view to have.
Originally posted by Jedi_KnightAlly
Hmmm i wld have to say from my situation alone.....1) We've got a strong enough bond to get married, we've already unofficially said we'll do it once we graduate, stupid to do it while a student
2) As for the aids thing, well we're both only going to ever have sex with each other, so thats out the window.
3) for the responsibility part, i have no answer as i can't think of a good one lol
4) You shouldn't question the lord.... but if u don't question things u'll never learn. Thats a very darkages view to have.
Well, seems fair enough. Even though in christianity, you'd still be sinning, it's not as annoying atleast. The only questionable thing is, if you love eachother, why can't you wait? It not only shows self-control, but respect for one another...plus she can't logically wear white to the wedding anymore. 😛 Anywho, I don't mean, don't question things. I think, you should never take someones word for it, you should figure it out for yourself. (looking up and reading versus in the Bible with your own two eyes) Then you should interpret them the way you think they're meant to be, since the Bible can be confusing. To further clear things up, discuss it with friends. Dark ages would be having a set code. Christians are often debating the way things are meant to be...fortunately, the overall belief is the same. 😄 Just don't push it. Like asking, God, why did you take my brother from me!!? God has a purpose, and questioning it, can sometimes lead to doubt..that's my thoughts on it anyway..
oh.... yeah well, suppose ppl are made different so they can have a rumble on KMC!!! lol only jk, yeah i love discussions like this although i'm not very good at them. Usually end up proving the other persons point. lol, i always found myself having to repeat and talk very slowly for women.... just give them all the help i can lol...
watch the hatemail roll in.
Most people are unaware of the proof contained in the Holy Bible. Popular media tends to present general opinion, incorporating uninformed viewpoints. Realizing the incredible evidence of the Holy Bible requires more depth than popular opinion.
A rather common accusation sharply aimed at the Christian goes like this: "You Christians are pitiful! All you have is blind faith." This would surely indicate that the accuser seems to think that to become a Christian, one has to commit intellectual suicide. Personally, my heart cannot rejoice in what my mind rejects. The Christian faith is faith in Christ. It's value of worth is NOT in the one believing, but in the one believed, not in the one trusting, but in the one trusted.
QUESTIONS TO PONDER:
The Gospel accounts were circulated in the lifetimes of eyewitnesses. Would a lie stand the test of time? For 2,000 years?
Eleven of the 12 apostles who knew the truth were executed (over a number of years) for their beliefs. Why would they die for a known lie?
Many other people died in support of the truth, some in the lifetime of eyewitnesses (seven million catacomb graves verify this). Why?
Paul, a prominent persecutor of Christians, gave up wealth and status, and later died to tell the story after seeing the risen Jesus. Why?
In 56 A.D. Paul wrote that over 500 people had seen the risen Jesus and that most of them were still alive (1 Corinthians 15:6). It passes the bounds of credibility that the early Christians could have manufactured such a tale and then preached it among those who might easily have refuted it simply by producing the body of Jesus.
OTE=3838528]Originally posted by ushomefree
Most people are unaware of the proof contained in the Holy Bible. Popular media tends to present general opinion, incorporating uninformed viewpoints. Realizing the incredible evidence of the Holy Bible requires more depth than popular opinion.
A rather common accusation sharply aimed at the Christian goes like this: "You Christians are pitiful! All you have is blind faith." This would surely indicate that the accuser seems to think that to become a Christian, one has to commit intellectual suicide. Personally, my heart cannot rejoice in what my mind rejects. The Christian faith is faith in Christ. It's value of worth is NOT in the one believing, but in the one believed, not in the one trusting, but in the one trusted.
QUESTIONS TO PONDER:
The Gospel accounts were circulated in the lifetimes of eyewitnesses. Would a lie stand the test of time? For 2,000 years?
Eleven of the 12 apostles who knew the truth were executed (over a number of years) for their beliefs. Why would they die for a known lie?
Many other people died in support of the truth, some in the lifetime of eyewitnesses (seven million catacomb graves verify this). Why?
Paul, a prominent persecutor of Christians, gave up wealth and status, and later died to tell the story after seeing the risen Jesus. Why?
In 56 A.D. Paul wrote that over 500 people had seen the risen Jesus and that most of them were still alive (1 Corinthians 15:6). It passes the bounds of credibility that the early Christians could have manufactured such a tale and then preached it among those who might easily have refuted it simply by producing the body of Jesus. [/QUOTE]
I guess 3's a charm...BTW..This should of been really big news back then. So how come Joesphus only wrote one itsy bitsy INSERTED paragraph in the middle of another of another topic? Historians and scholars most agree that this was added later...So then, why didn't it make the papers? This was a huge event..So why wasn't it recorded by other sources as well?
debbiejo
I appreciate your response, and it was noted.
How came, skeptics like yourself, having nothing of great significance to post; only rhetoric and boastful questions that even Christians would someday find relief in knowing, and still over look the abundant amount of factual information provided by internet and local book stores, and radio broadcasts to name a few sources a donkey could locate?
Divorce yourselves from websites based on conspiracy/propaganda themes, and any other information contained in secluded cults, and irrelevant paperback books sold at yard sales.
There is a vast amount of aspects to study regarding the Holy Bible. You cannot be complacent.
Other books claim divine inspiration, such as the Koran, the Book of Mormon, and parts of the (Hindu) Veda. But none of those books contains predictive prophecy.
Mankind is obsessed with the future. Relationships, career, health, fortune, death and questions about the future dominate people’s thinking. Experts can be wrong. Psychics are frequently wrong. Prophets are never, never wrong. So seriously as the role of biblical prophets taken that they were put to death upon making a single error in prophecy.
Some people might believe that prophecy is interesting, but is not especially important. Nothing could be further from the truth. Prophecy is a key standard the Bible tells us to use to test whether something is truly from God (Deuteronomy 18:19-22).
This standard is obviously critical. It means that words spoken, writings, and information of all types that are claimed to be from God should be judged based on any prophecies made. If a holy book is supposed to be inspired by God, it must be 100-percent accurate regarding all prophecies. This is a massive problem for the holy books of some religions.
No other holy book has the prophetic accuracy of the Bible. Most holy books, including those of the major world religions, are noticeably void of prophecy. Since prophecy is a standard by which to test everthing, one would expect works not from God to avoid prophecy, or to contain errors.
A few holy books of some religions contain limited attempts at prophecy, with results that fall short of God’s perfect standard. A few examples include:
The book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants
False prophecy: Jesus to be born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10), which is defined to be a distinctly seperate city (1 Nephi 1:4).
History and the Bible confirm Bethlehem as Jesus’ birthplace.
False prophecy: “After the Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah, they will return to the land of Israel” (2 Nephi 10:7)
In 1948 the Jews returned to Israel, still rejecting Jesus.
Information claimed to be historical with the Book of Mormon has not been confirmed as true. The Smithsonian Institution flatly rejected the book as historical.
The book of Abraham, supposedly translated by Joseph Smith, was proven fraudulent.
A temple was to be built at a consecrated location in Jackson County, Missouri (“Zion”), “with a generation” of 1832 (Doctrines and Covenants, 84:5,31; September 1832). The city Zion was “never to be moved” out of place (97:19, August 1833, and 101:17-21; December 1833).
Over 150 years have passed (several generations) and no temple is there.
Watchtower (Studies in Scripture)
(2:101)-1914 to be the year of the “battle of the great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14).
(1914 edition)-”End of the world” date changed to 1915.
(7:62)-Date changed to 1918
(7:542)-Date changed to 1920
Miscellaneous other publications)-Date the end of the world was repeatedly changed to 1925, 1942, 1975, 1980....
Only the Bible commands its readers to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Only the Bible is 100-percent accurate in hundreds of specific prophecies. The Bible is both open to and available for the testing of prophecy. More than 1,000 prophecies (668 are historical) fill the Bible . These prophecies are about people, places, and events-precise prophecies made centuries in advance of their fulfillment. NONE HAVE ERRORS!
The miraculous insights in the Bible occuring by chance has a probability of 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. That's 1 in 10 with 999 zerosfollowing it.
A probability of this magnitude, goes beyond all reason without God’s involvement.
We can chose to accept or reject the message of the Bible. Doctors tell us how to extend our lives, and engineers tell us how to build bridges. We commonly accept advice from such experts. Yet engineers and doctors are sometimes wrong. The Bible tells us how to achieve a full life on earth and for eternity. Prophecy helps verify that the Bible is never wrong. We would be foolish to reject it.
Prophecy helps verify that the Bible is never wrongnever wrong huh? Riddle me this then didnt this god of yours seperate light from darkness and day from night before the creation of the light producing objects like stars and the sun.
And is it right for a daughter to be pregnant with her father, cause according to the story of Lot it is