Is Christianity the answer?

Originally posted by Jedi_KnightAlly
But in the bible it mentions Behemoths (wrong spelling i know) which is a giant monster, so maybe?? But thats what i mean, how does christianity have such a following when you can easily have a argument against it. Whats its argument?
Cause if you think back to olden times, it could have been the perfect way to keep people under control, but surely it wld've died out if it had no truth?
Also a thing against the bible is that they are now going against what it says in regard to ministers/priests, they're now saying it doesn't really mean that, but what does it mean then?

Christianity is widley followed,imo,because of two things.The iron fist in which constatine ruled the early christian world and because,when compared to other religons,christianity offers the easiest way too salvation.
In most religons I know of,it takes a person a great deal of effort to find salvation.In christianity all you need to do is accept jesus into your heart.

The Holy Bible contains many boooks about numerous persons, places and events. Where can I find what you state in scripture?

Originally posted by ushomefree

How came, skeptics like yourself, having nothing of great significance to post; only rhetoric and boastful questions that even Christians would someday find relief in knowing, and still over look the abundant amount of factual information provided by internet and local book stores, and radio broadcasts to name a few sources a donkey could locate?

Divorce yourselves from websites based on conspiracy/propaganda themes, and any other information contained in secluded cults, and irrelevant paperback books sold at yard sales.

You don't know what I've read or how I've studied the scripture along with other religious cultures. And it's great that you got your new CD of info or what ever it is. BUT, speaking of prophecy, heres another view also. Come out of Babylon my people and don't partake of her sins...Everyone wants to know what Babylon is...Oh is it the Catholics? Hmmm..well we know that it is based on false teachings which would include paganism. Well we do know that The Roman Church was based on paganism, and the Protestant church didn't break away from it too.. Little do many no how much influence the Roman church influenced the Bible scriptures. Constantine wanted to bring the Jews in, but the Jews knew better, they knew what the church did was change the role of Jesus making him their messiah..The Jews new the pagan beliefs and recognized all the similarities. Even the early church fathers spoke of it themselves, like Justin Martyr..The church Catholic and Protestant is based on pagan beliefs and the only group that was mentioned at that time in history that the church tried to wipe out completely were the Essenes. The beliefs of the Essenes were not based on any paganism at all...there writings have been distributed to the east and is still followed,and it seems that their teachings are similar to the native Indians and many other type religions, to some extent. It's funny how the early church fathers for quite a few hundred years were always fighting the rumor that SATAN mimicked Christ some 400 or more years before Christ lived...Now how can satan be that smart? Hmmm.....

The fish and loaves, the baptism, the death and resurrection, many of the same miracles, the Alpha and Omega, the son of God...etc...All this before Christ came....And just so you know, I do believe there was a Jesus, He might of even raised from the dead..who knows...But His message was changed to suit the church...IT WAS MANIPULATED...it was. 📖

yeah.

history paints a different picture than what most belive.

debbiejo

Thank you for the informative read. Very interesting.

Just from the brief message your wrote, it seems as if your knowledge can ve confirmed by secular history. That I can work with.

Are you willing to speculate as to what the original message was that Jesus preached?

Are you willing to speculate as to what the original message was that Jesus preached

finti

Your statement would be most appropriate in the event that I fell victim to blind faith. My faith however is intellectually based, and therefore supersedes all influence of heart felt convictions. I was a skeptic in the beginning, and have learned better since then.

Perhaps you could contribute to a solution and end provoking gestures that create problems?

Your bold and assertive statement inspired reason to believe that you have knowledge to support your claim. Why didn't you produce it?

Originally posted by ushomefree
debbiejo

Thank you for the informative read. Very interesting.

Just from the brief message your wrote, it seems as if your knowledge can ve confirmed by secular history. That I can work with.

Are you willing to speculate as to what the original message was that Jesus preached?

Jesus didn't teach anything about a burning hell..Infact the Jews didn't believe in a hell..and Jesus was a Jew. That belief started around 200 years after his death. The Roman church instituted that belief and eventually the Masses for the indulgences to get prayed out of hell as Martin Luther was aware of and fought against.

In brief, Jesus taught us to love God and Love each other. As far as I'm aware, he didn't ask for us to worship him as God..He was subject to the father.

There are many writings that have stated that Mary his mother, Anna his grandmother, and He himself was an Essene. There are many writings that have him in their conversations. Essenes were vegetarians, and only really ate things not cooked. From what the medical and scientific community says TODAY about such a diet, it can cure many diseases and even cancers. www.drday.com and www.hacres.com are a few testimonial sites. Plus many many books..He was full of wisdom and I believe he would know these truths. This alone would pull me to think that he was probably an Essene. In scripture it says that Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish, but never said he ate any. Jesus taught that "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."...Not some far off place. This teaching was melded into other religious beliefs also, as you're probably aware of.

Jesus came to save the WORLD, not condemn it, as he said. That statement along, makes me see that he came to show us the way. The way of the Essenes, if he was one was a belief of everything being connected and that all of creation should be cared for, even the plants and such. Not to kill anything like animals, I'm pretty sure. Their belief was more of an inner spiritual belief on knowing God, then on out ward appearances. Much of the Bible stories were meant as lessons put down as allegories and such. The Roman church tried to erase any trace of the Essenes, but Josephus included them. In the Bible they were edited out. They were a threat to the church, because hell had no meaning to them, neither a HEAD of a church, and I believe they believed in some form of reincarnation. They believed in the wisdom of God, and if you look at the parable of "The Pearl of Great Price," it would make more since, since the pearl is a symbol of wisdom in the first place. Jesus taught peace, the church used him as a dividing factor. The Jews even today know what happened. They know that the church of Rome used him to pull them in.

What I had done was to study what the early church was doing as to what a proper worship of him would be. The more I looked the more I found out. Of course I had to look outside of the "Christian Books" you have to do that to get any real answers. What I mean is you have to look at both views and look at evidence on both sides. Just like you can't go to the Beef Industry and ask them about why you don't think beef is good for you....It's not just going to get you the whole truth.

so true.

imo,from what i know,christianity is a huge distortion of what is once was.The sad thing is most christians don't even know it.
They have a religon that is rich in history,yet they denie it.

I would do what the Bible says to do: Work out your own salvation with all fear and trembling. I believe you should go to the source, the Bible, and read for yourself. It has stood the test of time and has always been right. When we see homosexual things going on that is not the Bible but Satan at work. Don't be misled. Study for yourself and come to your own conclusion. that is the best advice I can give you. God bless.

Originally posted by Jerry M
I It has stood the test of time and has always been right..

It hasn't stood the test of time, you would see that if you did some research.

When we see homosexual things going on that is not the Bible but Satan at work.

Originally posted by Jerry M
I would do what the Bible says to do: Work out your own salvation with all fear and trembling. I believe you should go to the source, the Bible, and read for yourself. It has stood the test of time and has always been right. When we see homosexual things going on that is not the Bible but Satan at work.

I find it ironic the amount of double think that can exist in aspects of the Christian faith. One one hand there is the portrayal of God as some manner of nice, all good guy who cares for nothing more then our eternal life and our right of choice (because apparently it's so important we choose that even evil is allowed to exist), but on the other there's all this "fear and trembling" stuff, and the whole anti-homosexual thing that makes God sound more like some bigoted, power hungry dictator.

So which is he? If I believe should it be because God deserves worship, or should it be because of fear?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Jesus didn't teach anything about a burning hell..Infact the Jews didn't believe in a hell..and Jesus was a Jew. That belief started around 200 years after his death. The Roman church instituted that belief and eventually the Masses for the indulgences to get prayed out of hell as Martin Luther was aware of and fought against.

In brief, Jesus taught us to love God and Love each other. As far as I'm aware, he didn't ask for us to worship him as God..He was subject to the father.

There are many writings that have stated that Mary his mother, Anna his grandmother, and He himself was an Essene. There are many writings that have him in their conversations. Essenes were vegetarians, and only really ate things not cooked. From what the medical and scientific community says TODAY about such a diet, it can cure many diseases and even cancers. www.drday.com and www.hacres.com are a few testimonial sites. Plus many many books..He was full of wisdom and I believe he would know these truths. This alone would pull me to think that he was probably an Essene. In scripture it says that Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish, but never said he ate any. Jesus taught that "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU."...Not some far off place. This teaching was melded into other religious beliefs also, as you're probably aware of.

Jesus came to save the WORLD, not condemn it, as he said. That statement along, makes me see that he came to show us the way. The way of the Essenes, if he was one was a belief of everything being connected and that all of creation should be cared for, even the plants and such. Not to kill anything like animals, I'm pretty sure. Their belief was more of an inner spiritual belief on knowing God, then on out ward appearances. Much of the Bible stories were meant as lessons put down as allegories and such. The Roman church tried to erase any trace of the Essenes, but Josephus included them. In the Bible they were edited out. They were a threat to the church, because hell had no meaning to them, neither a HEAD of a church, and I believe they believed in some form of reincarnation. They believed in the wisdom of God, and if you look at the parable of "The Pearl of Great Price," it would make more since, since the pearl is a symbol of wisdom in the first place. Jesus taught peace, the church used him as a dividing factor. The Jews even today know what happened. They know that the church of Rome used him to pull them in.

What I had done was to study what the early church was doing as to what a proper worship of him would be. The more I looked the more I found out. Of course I had to look outside of the "Christian Books" you have to do that to get any real answers. What I mean is you have to look at both views and look at evidence on both sides. Just like you can't go to the Beef Industry and ask them about why you don't think beef is good for you....It's not just going to get you the whole truth.

a second time around?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Jesus didn't teach anything about a burning hell..Infact the Jews didn't believe in a hell..and Jesus was a Jew. That belief started around 200 years after his death. The Roman church instituted that belief and eventually the Masses for the indulgences to get prayed out of hell as Martin Luther was aware of and fought against.

Jesus did taught abought his coming, judgement and hell. Read Matt 25:31-41, Matt 13:41-43.

Jesus taught about his comming 😂 well aint he the dr ruth

Originally posted by finti
never wrong huh? Riddle me this then didnt this god of yours seperate light from darkness and day from night before the creation of the light producing objects like stars and the sun.
In the bible some land are given to Abraham forever, so the ongoing conflict in this land is just cause the bible said it was for the people of Abraham, and who exactly is the people of Abraham?

And is it right for a daughter to be pregnant with her father, cause according to the story of Lot it is

Yes God gave land to Abraham. The people of Abraham are the Jews and the land is Israel. That is why just as the prophesy foretold Israel were given back to the Jews in 1940 somewhere and it will stay in the hands of the Jewish people. Even the prophesy of Jerusalem being taken back by the Jews in 1967 are also in the Old Testament. The conflict are also described in the Bible for it is caused by the Ismael's generation. Ishmael is the other son of Abraham by his slave and God said that the two brothers (Ishmael and Isac) will be fighting all because Abraham did not wait upon God. The countries surrounding Israel today are mostly the generation of Ishmael. The covenant God made with Abraham was for the nation coming from the son that Sarah would have, thus Isac and not Ishmael.

Lot's daughters both had sex with him after they made him drunk because they wanted to assure that their father would have a male heir. Their mother had already passed away. This was human decision and not God's. This you can read in Genesis 19:30-38

Lot's daughters both had sex with him after they made him drunk because they wanted to assure that their father would have a male heir.

Originally posted by sonnet

Lot's daughters both had sex with him after they made him drunk because they wanted to assure that their father would have a male heir. Their mother had already passed away. This was human decision and not God's. This you can read in Genesis 19:30-38

But, there were other people from other places they could of had sex with.....They were just bad girls..