Mace vs Palps

[QUOTE=3623341]Originally posted by Tecnodimerda
[B]I agree Banshee. The way it is described in the novel I'd say Palps IS only playing with Mace and Anakin. Mace senses that Sidious doesn't fear him and absolutly trusts in Anakin's turn. He's so sure Anakin will turn - all that is needed is his little show ("don't let him kill me...please ....blabla"😉. The problem that many people seem to have is Lucas' (or was is someone else?) comment that first Palps sets up Mace, what doesn't work quite,(think it's the force lightning) and then Mace sets up Palps which doesn't work, too (trying to push him out of the window/off the ledge). Then Palps plays the weaker part to let Anakin ...

I interpreted the fight in the novel different. 😖hifty: Like you said in the book Palps saber got sliced but I heard the version with kicking it outta his hand too. But kicking it out of his hand would let Palps appear weaker than the book version wouldn´t it? 🤨

Originally posted by Lan©eWindu™
He was proving that all the arguments you guys have been making are incorrect. Ush is too smart.

I agree with Ushgarok. Sidious is not the invincible god that people seem to think. If Anakin hadn't been there, he'd have lost.

Still, I am really looking forwards to seeing this match.

I think If Anakin never met padme then when mace and palps are fighting That is were the Prophice was meant to be for- filled. Because nothing would stop anakin joining in and killing sidious.

Things would have been alot diffrent in the OT if this would have happened.

That´s the point. And Mace claimed from Anakin to fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith once and for all. Sidious pulled Anakin clever on his side so Mace lost and Anakin didn´t fulfilled his destiny. Not yet... 🙂

I agree with Ushgarok. Sidious is not the invincible god that people seem to think. If Anakin hadn't been there, he'd have lost.

I have to not agree and say that sidious is pretty much the invincible god that everyone seems to think he is...

he WAS playing with both mace and anakin, he wanted anakin to turn. if he had other plans for anakins fall to the darkside then he would have killed mace himself.

Palps allows himself to be put in a cpl situations that he could be killed but due to his clairvoyent force ability he knows that wont happen so as much as I like mace..... mace would have tired from fending off all the force attacks and his fighting style wouldnt be of much avail he would have been worn out eventually.....thats one opinion...what I want to know does Mace live? Do they really show him die? or just appears he dies?...hmmm... Could make for some interesting reading in future books🙂

i belive all this can be answered in 5 words "The will of the force", what couldve happened is not what does happen, the chosen one is not said to be the only one who can kill a sith lord, just that hes the one that Does so and brings balance to the force in doing so.

first off, Mace dies....

secondly...Palpatine COULD have beaten Windu, if he wanted too. the poitn is as Ush said, that Palps put himself in that danger, he was counting on Anakin turning. So MAce COULD have killed him at the moment, but if anakin wasne there then palps would have just not put himself in that situation and killed windu by himself.

*SPOILER*

In fact while they swordfighting no one was able to get an advantage. They had a stand off. They not even got tired. Mace used the dark powers of Vapaad so Palps wasn´t able to get through. That all happend BEFORE Anakin arrived. As he arrived Mace unarmed Sidious and got terribly attacked with Force Lightnings. But he could´t get through because Mace deflected them with his lightsaber and Vapaad skills. As Palps realised that, he stopped attacking and acted helpless. He KNEW that Mace would kill him defending or not. And as Mace was going to kill an "unarmed" and "helpless" man Anakin interfered. An unarmed Mace wasn´t able to protect himself anymore against the Lightning attacks and got thrown out by Palpatine.

**spoiler** if palpatine can take yoda why cant he take mace ...it had to be a show planned out for anakin

I'm fully confident it was a show to set Anakin up, but at the same time, Sidious wasn't expecting Mace to be as good as he was.

but the fact remains that if Palpatine can beat Yoda then he can beat windu...

*SPOILER*

Palpatine was throwing senator pods at Yoda. He got hit by one and fell into deep. Palps never defeated him by lightsaber combat. He fought unfairly. In his office where no such "helping tools" he had to fight one on one. And by the way believe it or not Mace is the better swordfighter than Yoda. It sounds incredible I know, couldn´t believe myself in the first place but it is true. I think you will realise when you see them in movement. He is definetely the most skilled fighter living at this time. I can´t await to finally see it! Four weeks and two days left pals!
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I don't believe that Mace is a better sword fighter then Yoda, unfortunately...he used the senate pods because Yoda was so damn good that he needed it or he might lose. I admit that Windu is a skilled swordsman but he is not better then Yoda that doesn't make sense. Sam himself has said "I'm supposed to be the second baddest dude" he obviously means next to Yoda...

Mace is not better then Yoda

Originally posted by macgeek2005
Mace is the most dangerous fighter on the Jedi Council. He can beat Palpatine.

I agree. My friend and I are avid Star Wars fans. And I believe that Mace Windu is infact THE head of the Jedi Council. Not Yoda. Mace Windu is more powerful than Yoda in everyway. Yoda is more wise cause of his age. Yoda is cool but he's not as powerful as alot of people think he is. Mace Windu has Sidious beat until Anakin makes the fateful decision to join Sidious which inturn spells the end for Mace. Unfortunately.
If anyone knows more about this subject please feel free to correct me. But as far as I know Mace Windu is THE most powerful Jedi known I believe.
Followed by a Jedi named Anoon Bondara I believe then Yoda.

Also Hi Everyone I'm new and have enjoyed reading everything that everyone has had to say. 😄

There are to many variables in the fight. Like for one. How did Paps. know that Anakin was coming? Two. Paps. took out two Jedi instantly, why didnt he take out Mace first? If he just was playing with Anakin, it would seem to me that if he was the better swordsman he would have taken out Mace first and then just toyed with the other Jedi's. Three. IN the novel, Paps. says " I have been waiting for this for a very long time,' which makes me think he was just waiting to cut into some Jedi. Or, maybe he said it because he knew this would be the offical start of the fall of the Jedi.

I personally think that Mace Windu is the better swordsman. With force skill, Paps. is the better one. He hide it so well that no Jedi around him could see it. That is some skill, espically when you have Master Jedi's like Yoda around you.

I agree. And I want two thoughts to add: First I don´t think Palps knew that Anakin would come. He just reacted fast when Ani was there and used his presence for two puposes. Getting rid of Mace whom he defenitly underestimated AND seduce Anakin.
In the novel is said that Mace and Palpatine could have fought on forever. None of them was able to get an advantage. And they fought that long BEFORE Anakin arrived. There was no need to play especially with one of the best Jedi living.
Second I think he didn´t kill Mace first cause Mace was the only one who reacted fast enough on Palps attack. They didn´t expect such fast and ruthless full-of-hatred attack against four members of the Jedi Council. They were prepared for an attack their lightsabers were ignited before the attack but I think they didn´t expect such a devestating outbreack of hatred. That Mace survived this first attack shows again how skilled he is. Obi-Wan said it later "they were the four best swordfighters the Order had."
That explains it to me. 🙂
By the way I think Palpatine said this "I have been..." thing cause he pulled over decades the stings in the background. He was eager to come into action and kill his hated enemies finally himself.

Yoda is the Master of the Force, and like most sensei's, he can handle a mean stick too..

Mace is a Master of the Force but The Master of the Lightsaber...in battle, no one is his equal..without cheating, or Anakin's help, Palpatine is split like a melon

I gotta side with the "Mace vs. Sidious would have ended with a Mace victory" line of thought. Mace is the single best duelist in the galazy, probably followed by Sidious. For pretty much the exact same reason as what Ushgarak stated, it also just makes more dramatic sense, and sets up an interesting parallel to ROTJ, in which Anakin twice interferes with Sidious as he "duels" and each time swings the outcome in the opposite direction of where it would have gone.