Mace vs Palps

ok, we have to look at this...i dont get how you think that mace is a better swordsman then Yoda and more importantly palpatine. mace was beaten by Dooku before, and its pretty obvious that 1) dooku is not a better swordsman then his own master and 2) he is not better then yoda. which means that palpatine IS at least better then windu. If palpatine wanted too then he could have beaten windu, even if he was (and is) using Vappad (form 7) it wouldent matter sidious is a master of form 6, which for all purposes is supposed to be impossible to master. as for yoda, ive said it before, Yoda IS the head of the Jedi councel, and sam jackson himself has said "im supposed to be the second baddest dude in the PT" he obviously means Yoda (discluding palpatine).

Interesting. I like that! You said form 6 is supposed to be impossible to master. So far we´re even. I said that they had some kind of stand off in fighting. No one of them could get an advantage. That means Papls couldn´t win neither.
The next thing is that Mace created Vapaad. How can any known saber style and Palps not just learned last week could be pointed out to a new,
never known offensive and new style. It´s honorable that Palps get so much ground against it! That shows how skilled he really is and know doubt that he is hell as good.
And why are you so sure Sam meant Yoda? 😉
And when Palps could defeat Mace AND he defeats Yoda in a way, what point of view you have then? I´m really interested in your opinion! 🙂
And when did Mace and Doooku fight? That´s a story I don´t know.
Please tell me!

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Mace and Dooku duel when Dooku was still in the Jedi Order? Another point is this ... Exactly how many times did Paps. actually get to use his lightsaber when all the events of TPM started? I think Paps. is great but he isnt God and he can be defeated. Mace was in his prime. Another point is this ... Yoda and Dooku had a stand off on AOTC, so how good is Yoda at a lightsaber? Just a thought ...

well, sith train with each other, so im pretty sure palps and maul then palps and dooku would fight each other for practice...

as for yoda, he kicked dooku's @ss, dooku was fighting to stay alive at the end of the fight, u can see it in his movements and his facial expressions. yoda was confident in his look "fought well u have my old padawan".... dooku was hardly winning...

mace being in his prime dosent really mean anything, look at dooku...

Mace vs Dooku...is that expanded universe?
it isn't mentioned in the movies.

Mace would not have been as rash as Anakin in facing Dooku and
would not have been as overconfident as Obi-Wan. I believe that if Mace faced Dooku and he was bringing crap down on Ani and Obi, Mace would have smoked his a$$ and then force pushed them away from the falling pipe

Windu shouldn't even ask Anakin...just smack that yellow eyed, turkey necked, ridge headed fool down!

it says on the SW site in Dooku's bio i believe

isn't the only way somebody can use a lightsaber effectively is if they can use the force??? so therefore if ur the most powerful forceuser u could beat any one with a lightsaber?

thats not exactly true, Grievous is better then most jedi and he has no force ablilities at all....

a non-force user could learn to use a saber quite well, the only thing is that 1, the would never be quite as good as a force user, and 2 they would not be able to deflect laser bolts with the saber. both of these are because they lack jedi reflexes.

okay that trashes that point then! 😮

Originally posted by KenpoKarate
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Mace and Dooku duel when Dooku was still in the Jedi Order? Another point is this ... Exactly how many times did Paps. actually get to use his lightsaber when all the events of TPM started? I think Paps. is great but he isnt God and he can be defeated. Mace was in his prime. Another point is this ... Yoda and Dooku had a stand off on AOTC, so how good is Yoda at a lightsaber? Just a thought ...

Okay, we have to keep in mind that Sidous actually trained Darth Maul.
Mace created a new lightsaber combat style made to be superior to any other style and to underline his skills he was in 25000 years the youngest Jedi affiliated to the Council. Referring to the Yoda/Dooku duel I just interpreted the movie scenes. I have to look for my EP II Novel and study that scene again. What I still know is that Dooku was qiet impressed by Anakin´s skills in the fight. There was no way to show that details in the movie.

yea, anakins pretty skilled, but this is a mace vs palps thread

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
yea, anakins pretty skilled, but this is a mace vs palps thread

You´re right! With all this comparison thing we came off topic!
😉

We know that, at best, Sidious and Mace are equally matched,
Spoiler alert: Sidious attempts false lightning and Mace blocks, either the force of the block or the effort of DS to burn Mace cause him to either drop his human form or become deformed. Mace has DS on the ropes and then whiny boy steps in to snatch defeat from victory

Nothing to add.
🙂

I agree with you some what ((The_Anomaly)) on Sidious controlling Anakin to kill Mace Windu, however; I believe Sidious was doing it after the lightsaber battle ended, when Anakin was coming into the room. How would Sidious know that Anakin was coming in the first place? I mean dont get me wrong, I think Sidious is an awesome swordsman, I just think that Mace is the better swordsman. As far as Mace Windu being a better swordsman than Yoda, kind of far fetched I agree. On the flip side, Yoda is up there in age. In the novel, after the Yoda verses Sidious fight, Yoda even says that he was to old to take Sidious.

Sidious never beat Yoda in a lightsaber dual. If the movie is like the book, Yoda gets hit with force lightning while he is jumping from one pod to the next and that is how the battle ended. Sidious did not have some great victory over Yoda or anything.

Dooku only beat Mace Windu when Mace Windu was still coming up as a Jedi. Dooku was at one point in time the best swordsmen in the Jedi temple before he went to the dark side of the force. I guess my point is that Dooku only could takr Mace when Dooku was a full feldge Jedi and when Mace wasnt.

My impression was that Palpatine faked losing to give Anakin the final incentive to turn. Anakin had a choice then and could have killed Palpatine. He made the wrong choice.
Palpatine knew that Anakin would show up, so he plays the scene to his advantage.
The novelization hightly implies this while not outright saying it.