Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So religion being documented is simply the fact people have believed in it over the years and written about it as they have believed? Ghosts then have also been documented. People believe in them, write books filled with grainy/blurry pictures about them. That's documenting as well.
Re: Some confusion in sin and it's consequences.....
Originally posted by Rogue JediSin is not estimated in values. To us murder seems a whole lot worse than hate but in God's eyes they're all the same to Him. One sin is not greater than another they are all sin.
i understand everything the bible says (well, most of it), and i understand what we have to do to be saved and go to heaven. but, i have to admit, there is a certain scenario i was discussing the other day with a friend that perplexed me. here it is:you have two guys. their names are, for arguemnts sake, jim and ed. jim is a family man. a good husband, a good father, gives back to the community, goes to church every sunday. he is basically an all around great guy.
then you have ed. ed is a killer/rapist. he grew up commiting crime after crime, getting worse and worse, until he was caught and sentenced to death.
one day, jim dies suddenly in a car crash. even though he was a great guy, he never turned his life over to jesus, therefore he was not saved, died a sinner, and will spend eternity in hell.
on the other hand, while on death row, ed discovers god. he genuinely believes in god and begs forgiveness for his sins, past and present. when he is executed, he goes to heaven.
this does not quite sit right with me. i think that jim made the mistake of all mistakes by not turning hislife over to god, but, in my opinion, ed had done too much (killed and raped many women and men) to be saved. i think that there should be a cutoff point, a point of no return, where you are beyond saving.thoughts?
To give more insight in the issue the term 'sin' was originally an archery term used for, "missing the mark". The way we use sin is essentially very similar. Basically anything that falls short of God's plan and purpose for your life is a sin. This is why it's impossible to be good enough to get into heaven, and also why God made a way for us to get into heaven that bypassed the necessity of being perfect.
Whew. This is probably the last post I'll ever make on the Religion forum. I don't know what possessed me to reply this time. I seriously doubt one could coax me to do it again.
1 Corinthians 1:20-31 Read them.
Re: Re: Some confusion in sin and it's consequences.....
Originally posted by Psyquis52
Sin is not estimated in values. To us murder seems a whole lot worse than hate but in God's eyes they're all the same to Him. One sin is not greater than another they are all sin.To give more insight in the issue the term 'sin' was originally an archery term used for, "missing the mark". The way we use sin is essentially very similar. Basically anything that falls short of God's plan and purpose for your life is a sin. This is why it's impossible to be good enough to get into heaven, and also why God made a way for us to get into heaven that bypassed the necessity of being perfect.
Whew. This is probably the last post I'll ever make on the Religion forum. I don't know what possessed me to reply this time. I seriously doubt one could coax me to do it again.
1 Corinthians 1:20-31 Read them.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
take the bible for example. those who believe in it believe that it was documented by actual events, not made up events. i believe in the bible. you dont. ok?
And people who believe in Ghosts believe they are documented by actual events. Typically when it comes to religion things are very shaky when one starts trying to shoehorn the occurrences of a Biblical texts into the flow of history. The history of the Bible only vaguely fits in with history.
And people would believe if it was "documented" or not, after all they have continued to believe despite the amount that has been shown as untrue by history and science.
Out on a ledge only, to my knowledge refers to people on uncertain grounds (which I'm not, everything I said is fairly solid), committing suicide (which since I love my life so much I wont be doing) and gargoyles (which is just silly.)
ah, forget it. i just ran it by my coworker and he didnt get it either.
Sounds like he has his head screwed on right.
Re: Some confusion in sin and it's consequences.....
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i understand everything the bible says (well, most of it), and i understand what we have to do to be saved and go to heaven. but, i have to admit, there is a certain scenario i was discussing the other day with a friend that perplexed me. here it is:you have two guys. their names are, for arguemnts sake, jim and ed. jim is a family man. a good husband, a good father, gives back to the community, goes to church every sunday. he is basically an all around great guy.
then you have ed. ed is a killer/rapist. he grew up commiting crime after crime, getting worse and worse, until he was caught and sentenced to death.
one day, jim dies suddenly in a car crash. even though he was a great guy, he never turned his life over to jesus, therefore he was not saved, died a sinner, and will spend eternity in hell.
on the other hand, while on death row, ed discovers god. he genuinely believes in god and begs forgiveness for his sins, past and present. when he is executed, he goes to heaven.
this does not quite sit right with me. i think that jim made the mistake of all mistakes by not turning hislife over to god, but, in my opinion, ed had done too much (killed and raped many women and men) to be saved. i think that there should be a cutoff point, a point of no return, where you are beyond saving.thoughts?
You don't go to heaven or hell after you die. That is the only way that your scenario can be true. The simple truth is something hard to face, but we live and then we die. That is our nature, we are at balance with the world. However, we are all connected to each other; we have a shared conciseness, so our energy is never lost, we simple return from were we came. I personally believe that we return, when the time is right, but it is just a belief.