My Question

Started by Rogue Jedi8 pages

Some confusion in sin and it's consequences.....

i understand everything the bible says (well, most of it), and i understand what we have to do to be saved and go to heaven. but, i have to admit, there is a certain scenario i was discussing the other day with a friend that perplexed me. here it is:

you have two guys. their names are, for arguemnts sake, jim and ed. jim is a family man. a good husband, a good father, gives back to the community, goes to church every sunday. he is basically an all around great guy.
then you have ed. ed is a killer/rapist. he grew up commiting crime after crime, getting worse and worse, until he was caught and sentenced to death.
one day, jim dies suddenly in a car crash. even though he was a great guy, he never turned his life over to jesus, therefore he was not saved, died a sinner, and will spend eternity in hell.
on the other hand, while on death row, ed discovers god. he genuinely believes in god and begs forgiveness for his sins, past and present. when he is executed, he goes to heaven.
this does not quite sit right with me. i think that jim made the mistake of all mistakes by not turning hislife over to god, but, in my opinion, ed had done too much (killed and raped many women and men) to be saved. i think that there should be a cutoff point, a point of no return, where you are beyond saving.

thoughts?

Thought 1. Did this really need a new thread?

Rhetorical Answer: No.

Thoguht 2: Christianity can be interpreted this way...and thats life.

Thought 3. JIA would totally side with the Jesus freak killer-rapist.

According to the Bible you can be the worst of the worst and plead on your death bed and get in........and also, you can be a nonbeliever and live a life of such charity and go to hell........

Whats wrong with this picture.

1. there is a god.

2. there is a heaven and hell

3. there is a afterlife

4. the god places you in heavan or hell in your afterlife.

A god of books and made in mans image.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thought 1. Did this really need a new thread?

Rhetorical Answer: No.

Thoguht 2: Christianity can be interpreted this way...and thats life.

Thought 3. JIA would totally side with the Jesus freak killer-rapist.


1. irrevelant
2. no thoughts? thats a change
3. good point
4. thats a possibility

It's sooo silly that people talk about God and gods like they did in ancient times, when what ever there is could care less and be much above our thinking.......WE couldn't even comprehend it at all......

is that really relevant to this thread?

Yes it is..........Sin and consequence to something that isn't even real......

It was not related to the orignial concept of god.

The original concept of god is false.......and so is the consequences to it IMO....It's all just myths over and over again........A real god wouldn't even care..........It would be beyond this petty human fraility.....

So why did Jim go to Church every Sunday if he hadn't handed his life over to Jesus?

Originally posted by debbiejo
The original concept of god is false.......and so is the consequences to it IMO....It's all just myths over and over again........A real god wouldn't even care..........It would be beyond this petty human fraility.....

original concept? nature spirits?

Originally posted by Alliance
original concept? nature spirits?
Original concept is the Pagan/Christian concept............

Thats a broad definition.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes it is..........Sin and consequence to something that isn't even real......

its not real in YOUR opinion.

there no evidence for it being real.

theres no proof that it is not real. whats your point?

There is evidence. Lets start with this.

1. Supernatural events don't happen.

2. Religions are made up by humans.

Supernatural events do happen.