Originally posted by darth_Matt84
in AOTC ob1 said that if anakin paid more attention to lightsaber training he would 'rival master yoda as a swordsman'. Surely this implies yoda is the best of the jedi including mace.
Exactly. As we all know your abilities with a lightsaber isn't the only thing that measures how powerful you are. But still I believe Yoda is overall better then windu in every catagory and that includes fighting with a lightsaber, so its clear with wat Obi-Wan said in AOTC that Yoda is the best swordsman up until in ROTS that is where I think its Anakin who is most skilled, but again that doesn't mean Anakin can beat Yoda in ROTS, patience, wisdom, experience all play a role when you fight, thats how OBi-Wan beats Anakin.
well he obviously does not mean anakin, as anakin is not really considered to be the greatest....hes obviously not as powerful as yoda and obviously not as powerful as windu, and espicially not as powerful as palpatine....
in time, yes he would have been, but he diddent have the time.
think about it, Obi beats him, and although anakin is more powerful then obi, obi still wins (cause of anakins anger etc.) now if u were to put obi up against yoda or windu, hed obviously lose, quite quickly.
in ROTS yoda says to Obi " To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not."
now if anakin was THAT powerful then yoda would have said hed go fight anakin, not sidious...
i heard someone say, and i may get the figures wrong, that Sidious is approx 200% (two hundred)stronger than yoda, and before his lava bath, Anakin is approx 20%(twenty) stonger than Sidious, and that had Anakin fought Palps, Ani would have won. Even Palps tell yoda that anakin is more powerful than the both of them. I just dont think that the jedi know exactly HOW STRONG anakin actually is....but Mace finds out doesnt he. I think another part of why Anakin loses to OB1 is because he may have a Master/learner complex thats in the back of his mind, but i think that Anakin would have owned Yoda....using your logic, Yoda couldnt beat Dooku, but Anakin does with realative ease....put 2 and 2 together and you get 4......well, most of the time.... 😛
Good thinking! I don´t know if it´s true but I heard rumours that Sidious kept himself alive for a hundred of years. I just read parts of the novel a couple of minutes ago and it is not acknowledged but it would make sense. It´s a fact that Sith gain power in a much shorter time than Jedi and it fits well! Even if Sidious lived just three quarters of Yoda´s age he be even more powerful in the Force. You need just more time on the light side to a certain level of the Force than you need on the dark side where the users a ruthless to gain power. Mace was just in swordfighting uniqe even for them.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
i heard someone say, and i may get the figures wrong, that Sidious is approx 200% (two hundred)stronger than yoda, and before his lava bath, Anakin is approx 20%(twenty) stonger than Sidious, and that had Anakin fought Palps, Ani would have won. Even Palps tell yoda that anakin is more powerful than the both of them. I just dont think that the jedi know exactly HOW STRONG anakin actually is....but Mace finds out doesnt he. I think another part of why Anakin loses to OB1 is because he may have a Master/learner complex thats in the back of his mind, but i think that Anakin would have owned Yoda....using your logic, Yoda couldnt beat Dooku, but Anakin does with realative ease....put 2 and 2 together and you get 4......well, most of the time.... 😛
You heard right but you have the wrong context. Lucas said that Anakin would be 200% times as strong as Sidious. And that´s why Sidious is not disappointed or pissed off when Anakin had his "accident". Because of his injuries and the fact that only a quarter of him is still human he remains only 80% of the Emperor´s strenght. Still enough to hunt down the remaining Jedi without trouble... 👿
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Obi-Wan defeated Anakin because he knew of his weaknesses and Anakin hadn't yet fully gained control over his dark powers. I agree that Yoda, Mace, Sidious and Obi-Wan all have their skills more refined, but Anakin is more powerful than all of them.
Yoda, Mace, or Sidious would lose to Anakin in ROTS. Obi-Wan only won because like I said, he knew of Anakin's weaknesses. Like using his mother, or padme. (I'm assuming Obi-Wan finally eggs him on to cause him to screw up)
Obi-Wan is the only one that could defeat Anakin because of
A. The setting of the duel
B. His knowledge of Anakin's faults
C. His incredible skills
D. "Luck"
people! if mace had a little help he could have beaten sidious!
and yoda flees because he knows he needs to survive. in the script PUNK-ASS SIDIOUS tries to RUN AWAY from yoda!
anakin is the most powerful then yoda or maybe a tie between yoda and sidious.
as for skill maybe yoda and sidious tie with mace a close second.