Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
People really tend to underestimate the Power Primordial. It can grant any power, (like the Power Cosmic,) but on a far greater scale.Basically, anything Surfer can do Champ can do better. He just uses the Power Primordial chiefly for physical fighting, hence the name Champion of the Universe.
Champ can use his power to do weird things as well, but he is a fighter, and only likes h2h fighting...he's .the best h2h fighter in the universe.
"The communication lasts milliseconds, yet the information exchanged would take a millennium to convey."
Hmm, that just kinda says that he was given a millennium worth of knowledge in a very short ammount of time.
Doesn't really show SS physically reacting at light speed.
IMO he can travel and think at LS, just not physically react....i.e Flash blitz, punching a million times a second.
Originally posted by life is cruell
did she hulk end up defeating champion?
Yes, after losing the first match, she defeated him in a rematch. However, in the rematch, Champion was forced by the Living Tribunal to discard the Infinity Power Gem and his Power Primordial. She Hulk had been working out for months, and she had a exponential power boost.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Cosmic being you have alot of scans post one of the time Surfer defeated Champion.
I don't have that fight Juggernaut74. I don't have any of the issues I posted, besides the Fantasitc Four/Superman crossover.
long pig pretty much hit the nail on the head when he said the Power Primordial is like the Power Cosmic's daddy. Surfer wouldn't even be able to affect Champion using the Power Cosmic. I doubt Champion would even be remotely fazed by a full strength Power Cosmic blast. The Power Primordial begat the Power Cosmic.
Originally posted by long pig
"The communication lasts milliseconds, yet the information exchanged would take a millennium to convey."Hmm, that just kinda says that he was given a millennium worth of knowledge in a very short ammount of time.
Doesn't really show SS physically reacting at light speed.
IMO he can travel and think at LS, just not physically react....i.e Flash blitz, punching a million times a second.
Here's a better example of him reacting at greater than light speeds.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Here's a better example of him reacting at greater than light speeds.
But..
It doesnt say how fast those astroids are going, even so, he is still only traveling on his board at a high speed.
My question is : Can SS h2h fight at lightspeed? i.e speed blitz Flash style.
I know he doesnt need to fight h2h and therefore its not shown him doing so, but thats why I question if he can.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Isnt Galactus suppose to be older than the elders?
Galan is from a previous universe. He is older than the Elders. When the Big Bang occurred, he bonded with the dying essence of the old universe (who had lost much of it's power to entropy,) to become Galactus. However, The Power Cosmic is a derivative of the Power Primordial, released when the Big Bang occurred. Confusing, but that's how it is.
hmm, i'm trying to remember back to those early surfer vol 2s. didn't all the elders get together to try and kill galactus? can't remember exactly what happened. anyway, i'm not sure champ's as tough as some on this thread are making out. each of the elders has their specialty and no one better screw with them in that area. champ's is hand-to-hand combat, but surf wouldn't take him that way. i'm sure champ could use the PP to combat surfer, but his mastery would not be very good. (collector tried to use his PP against the avengers after having NOT used it for a long time and got his arse totalled in a hurry!) i also believe surfer's fought and beaten other elders who also wield the PP - gardener i think, and the runner, and a couple others. and we can't forget the power cosmic is derived from galactus! the power primordial (wherever it stems from) CAN'T come from a much more powerful source. my money would be on SS - unless of course they were both thrown into a ring (which is what it looks like in that farsical issue of she hulk!)
Originally posted by long pig
I swear I'm not arguing for the sake of argument.But..
It doesnt say how fast those astroids are going, even so, he is still only traveling on his board at a high speed.
My question is : Can SS h2h fight at lightspeed? i.e speed blitz Flash style.
I know he doesnt need to fight h2h and therefore its not shown him doing so, but thats why I question if he can.
I didn't mean to post that picture, so I edited it. Look at the new one.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm trying to remember back to those early surfer vol 2s. didn't all the elders get together to try and kill galactus? can't remember exactly what happened. anyway, i'm not sure champ's as tough as some on this thread are making out. each of the elders has their specialty and no one better screw with them in that area. champ's is hand-to-hand combat, but surf wouldn't take him that way. i'm sure champ could use the PP to combat surfer, but his mastery would not be very good. (collector tried to use his PP against the avengers after having NOT used it for a long time and got his arse totalled in a hurry!) i also believe surfer's fought and beaten other elders who also wield the PP - gardener i think, and the runner, and a couple others. and we can't forget the power cosmic is derived from galactus! the power primordial (wherever it stems from) CAN'T come from a much more powerful source. my money would be on SS - unless of course they were both thrown into a ring (which is what it looks like in that farsical issue of she hulk!)
The only Elder I remember SS beating is Obliterator, and only because he manipulated his technology. Surfer tried blasting him with the power cosmic to no avail. But Surfer will not have that luxury. Champion only uses the Power Primordial, and his fists. Not much Surfer can do to him.