the champion vs the silver surfer

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm trying to remember back to those early surfer vol 2s. didn't all the elders get together to try and kill galactus? can't remember exactly what happened. anyway, i'm not sure champ's as tough as some on this thread are making out. each of the elders has their specialty and no one better screw with them in that area. champ's is hand-to-hand combat, but surf wouldn't take him that way. i'm sure champ could use the PP to combat surfer, but his mastery would not be very good. (collector tried to use his PP against the avengers after having NOT used it for a long time and got his arse totalled in a hurry!) i also believe surfer's fought and beaten other elders who also wield the PP - gardener i think, and the runner, and a couple others. and we can't forget the power cosmic is derived from galactus! the power primordial (wherever it stems from) CAN'T come from a much more powerful source. my money would be on SS - unless of course they were both thrown into a ring (which is what it looks like in that farsical issue of she hulk!)

SS beat The Runner?
Thats hella fishy, because i have a comic where The runner is going multiples of Lightspeed around SS and making fun of how slow surfer is, and talked down to SS like he wasnt anything...SS seemed to know not to mess with The Runner.

PP isnt more powerful than Galactus, and Champ wouldnt dent Galactus. Big G is a part of nature.
BUT...thats not the point, the point is SS has only a small portion of Galactus' power.
SS couldnt hurt Champ. Champ totally outclasses him in all areas.

Long pig, did you see the scan?

The Runnner can manipulate time and space to "run" at any speed he desires. He might have been moving at a billion times the speed of light.

ok, A nanosecond is an derived unit of time equal to 10-9 of a second
1/60 of a minute. So, that said, surfer did surpass Lightspeed, light speed can go 29.9792458 cm per nanosecond in the vaccum of space.

Thanks CC.

You got it. To make what you just said understandable for the simple folk:
A nanosecond is one billionth of a second. Light only goes about 30 cm in a nanosecond.

Champion did battle surfer in a comic.

And got murdered (sad thing surfer wasn’t even trying).

I mean it's wasn't even a fight for surfer.

He asks Champion why you want to kill me. Then Champion start hitting Surfer, seconds later, one comic blast and Champion is down.

here i have scans
part 1

part 2

Hmm... That doesn't make sense. Champion shouldn't be affected by the Power Cosmic if he has the Power Primordial. No other elder has been affected. Perhaps he didn't have the Power Primordial in this fight.

That art sucks.

Where are those scans from?
I have a sneaking suspicion its fanfic. If not, its horrible writing/art.

Remember when Gladiator got beat by Cannonball?
Thats better writing than the above scans.

Gladiator and Champ have always been victims of bad writing.

Champ gets severely slutted by Marvel's writers. He always gets used as a plot device, or just a punching bag. He's the best fighter in the universe for Christ's sake. No reason they should write him losing so much.

I'm sure that the Power Cosmic does not affect wielders of the Power Primordial.

It’s not fan fic it's from V.3 # 1

It’s number 1 that's why it's so garbage.

Have you seen V.1 , V.2 damn those are ugly.

And cosmic how can you tell if he has Power Primordial because it never says he didn't

from what the FF4 said - he beated everyone on earth : Hulk , Thor , Thing etc.

Reed said what can we do?? Means Champion is strong but clearly got punked by SS.

well that just shows how powerful SS is.

Of course it doesn't....well it shouldn't.
Those scans make no sense whatsoever.

I haven't ever seen an elder do anything but laugh at the Power Cosmic in the past.

Originally posted by kgkg
It’s not fan fic it's from V.3 # 1

It’s number 1 that's why it's so garbage.

Have you seen V.1 , V.2 damn those are ugly.

And cosmic how can you tell if he has Power Primordial because it never says he didn't

from what the FF4 said - he beated everyone on earth : Hulk , Thor , Thing etc.

Reed said what can we do?? Means Champion is strong but clearly got punked by SS.

It never says he does either, so by process of elimination, SS beating him would mean he didnt.

Or it was written by someone who had no clue who Champ was, but knew he was powerful so he made SS look better by beating him.

You can tell by the syntex of how each of the characters talk that it was written by a newcomer...hell maybe a first timer. Everyone starts somewhere, and going by how horrid the art is there, those comics werent a very high priority to marvel.

I mean, Surfer's powerful as all hell, few people can stand before him when he's exercising his full power; but Champion is an Elder of the Universe. The Power Primordial exceeds the Power Cosmic. I just don't see Surfer winning...

Thanos was blasting Champion with cosmic power during "Thanos Quest" and Champion, unfazed, kept moving towards Thanos.

Thats what we're talking about, this makes no sense whatsoever.
Obviously Thanos' blasts are more powerful than SS.

KV, should we declare PIS on this? I have the "PIS" flag waiting to be planted.

To be fair, Adam Warlock also beat Champion in full combat (energy blasts, soul gem, etc.). When Warlock fought Champion "fair and square" instead, he got wasted. So that lends credit to the theory that Champion can't be beaten at his own game, but he can be beaten.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
Thanos was blasting Champion with cosmic power during "Thanos Quest" and Champion, unfazed, kept moving towards Thanos.

Champion had the Power Gem and was getting bitchslaped like all of Thanos other oponents if you guys want scans just ask.

All Champion does is Talk big and he was no match for Thanos even with the Power Gem

Was that when thanos got a few jabs in but never hurt Champ, and then hid behind his forcefield until finally tricked Champ into punching the world in half?

They never hurt each other the entire fight.

If its another comic, then sure...I'd like to see them.