So then... back to the ghost thing... (SPOILERS)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, Fernando. It is completely irrelevant whether Anakin returned to the Light Side or not. But his turning ALWAYS infleucvned EVERYTHING in his life from then on. Which is what Yoda meant. You cannot escape your decision to turn to the Dark Side.

It was his "decision", but he didn't have to turn to the darkside to accomplish his destiny.

I didn't say he did. That wasn't really what we were talking about, though. We weren't talking about his status as the Chosen One at all; simply the consequences- for anyone- who turns to the Dark Side.

now i can see clearly what u all meant.
thanx to salracc´s alcohol analogy.

It got me to think and i have to say i was wrong. its exactly how ush and sarlacc say...but not as emperor helmet says.

i have to disagree with him bringing balance to the force anyway he wanted: taking the dark side or the light side.

i believe prophecies are as they are, and they happen as they are meant to happen exactly.

i believe anakin chose not to follow his destiny at the same moment he turned to the dark side. he had the choice like everybody has it, luke had it and he made the right choice, his destiny was to bring his father back to the light side to fulfill his own "chosen one" destiny. like in matrix neo has the chance to follow or not to follow his destiny when he took the red pill, he was the ONE in the prophecy but then again he could´ve just turn his destiny down.

in episode III we will see how anakin says no to his own destiny and chooses to follow the darkside seduced by the emperor.

About the ghost thing again! I haven't read the noivel yet, but I asked someone on another board who did. He told me this:

"Well, after Anakin loses his mother he becomes so filled with rage that he becomes this beacon of anger in the Force. So much so that Yoda feels it while meditating on Coruscant. Then they both hear Qui-gon's voice calling out Anakin no, stop!

Then Yoda snaps out of it and tells Mace that Skywalker is suffering. Added to that, Yoda is shocked that a voice came back after becoming one with the Force. I believe this might be the clue the his and Obi-wan's disappearance and the retaining of their Jedi spirits. Maybe it's a door unlocked by Anakin. "

Sounds like my theory is about to become real, Ush, IF it is the movie though! THe link with Anakin sort of causing it is new, yet it is the clue to how the ghost thing did come about.

Remember, there are a lot of things in the novels that aren't in the films. I would be very surprised if this is in the film.

thanx Sarlacc. That really made sense.

Anyway, who cares Helmet?

ME!!! ALWAYS!!!! 😂 😂 😉

you're welcome. i'm gald that anything i said could actually help someone's understanding or whatever. and on the subject of the ghost, i hope its included whether its a physical pressence or just vocal. i haven't (and won't) read the novelization, but i think having a qui-gonn "apperance" will be another interesting link for all the movies. especially if this is how yoda and obiwan learn of this possibility and if anakin is the reason for this and it ultimately comes back to haunt him, so to speak.

And haunt him and terrorize him and give him nightmares. He wakes up in the middle of the night: "Palpy, OB1's ghost is scaring me again. I feel like maybe I shouldn't have killed him..."

Your theory is about to come true, queeq? Huh? WHat an odd thing to say! I've never heard you say ANYTHING like that! It sounds a lot more like what people like me and bigsef have said.

I thought your theory was that it was Qui-Gon's burning that would make him spirit capable?

and we now know who "invented" it too 😄

I'm just rather surprised by what queeq said.

can't blame him, dude is Dutch

Ah... I see...

Actually, I didn't think either of us HAD theories, just some basic points. My main points were:

1. The Disappearing and being a Ghost are linked

2. It is NOT a standard Jedi trick

3. It is something to do with the Prophecy/Midichlorians.

I still believe in 1, though obviously this puts a new angle on it all.

And furthermore, I am pretty sure that queeq and myself mostly agreed these days. I never agreed that burning Qui-Gon helped make him a ghost, though. But his statement about this theory becoming real confuses me. I think it more confirms the direction in which we were both thinking, but we had never come up with a specific theory that sounded anything like that.

I remember in the TPM novel, Anakin telling Padme that he was going to marry her in Watto's shop. That never happened either.

You are getting bent out of shape over something that probably isn't going to be in the film.

I don't actually care that much if it is in the film. The point is, queeq and myself have been trying to decode this one for a while, so any indication of the way GL might be thinking is useful.

The actual answer will be in ep.iii, of course.

how sure are you that GL is actually going to give up the reason and mysteries of the ghost thing in episode III???

he doesn´t have to.

Because he said he would.

he did?

if he did, then we should just wait an see if aotc gives some answers away, and if there are many more left unanswered then wait for episode III. why take so much trouble guessing and arguing?

because if you didn't this forum would be empty