Originally posted by jrodslam
Namor is CL 100 in or out of water.
How would GL even be able to penetrate Strange's field bubble? Professor X can even probe the mind of Strnage, let alone MM.
Superman or Flash speedblitzing wouldnt be able to penetrate Stranges shield.
Again, he's stronger than cl 85-90.
Strange already has the ff up. Around the whole group i might add.
When spell is active, ive never seem anyone be able to probe the mind of Strange or the group. Therefore your theory of MM entering the mind of the Defenders is flawed.
MM entering the mnid of Megaddon may be impressive, but a GL who isnt on the same level is able to withstand MM's mental attacks. Go figure. Once again youre theory is flawed. MM's mental probe works sometimes, but not all the time. On the other hand when Strange puts up a mental block, its never been obstructed.
Thus Defenders still win.
Oh. And the point you brought up about Supes or Flash speedblitzing before Strange can utter a spell. Just to let you know he doesnt need to say the words to render the whole JLA in stasis OR cast them to another dimension. Read Defenders Vol.2 #16 then get back to me.
Once again MANY OF YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT SURFER IS FASTER THAN THE FLASH!!! You bring in speed blitzing, Surfer will do the same to the JLA.
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Surfer will blitz kill half the JLA team before MM can even think of telepathy. Drains Supes. Catches the Flash, and Kills Wonder Woman. Strange and the others can easily take out the rest.
Every time someone brings Flash in, they assume he'll get the jump on everyone. Not Surfer. The only guy I think beat Surfer in speed was the Runner. An Elder Of The Universe. Surfer was traveling much faster than the speed of light, while the Runner traveling along side of him laughed at how slow he was going.
GL's force fields resistance depends on will power and concentrations, and the ring's power is limitless, so the shield can be kept up even for days.
Strange has never met a telepath on the level of MM, so how can you assume his force field can resist?
You think Strange is unbeatable or his spells always work?
During a Spider-Man team up issue, he was attacked by a magical robot that passed through the Cyttorak's Band.
What's up?Strange failed.The spell doesn't work thanks to the magical protection that was imbued in the robot.
Martian Manhunter's telepathic assaults rarely doesn't works, and Strange compared to the enemies MM has faced, is not so impressive.
Again, he's stronger than cl 85-90.
Namor can lift about 85 tons at peak capacity, although his strength degrades the longer he is out of water, to a minimum of 40 tons.<---one of the few right things in www.marveldirectory.com
That's when he's outta water.
In water, he has fought and beat Hulk, I've respect for Namor, but you're arguing without proofs of him being above Class 85-90 outta water.
Oh. And the point you brought up about Supes or Flash speedblitzing before Strange can utter a spell. Just to let you know he doesnt need to say the words to render the whole JLA in stasis OR cast them to another dimension. Read Defenders Vol.2 #16 then get back to me.
He doesn't need to talk but he wave his hands when he cast his spells.
Flash is actually faster than istant transmission, he can enter in the Speed Force dimension and reappear into the force field, knocking the hell outta of Strange, Namor, Valkyrie and Nighthawk with a flurry of IMP.
Strange has neve met a telepath on MM's lvl, so how can you automatically assume that MM can enter the mind? A bit premature on your part.
Who mentioned anything about Cyttorak's bands? Not me. Does anyone in the JLA have some type of magical protection? NO they dont, so even IF Strange were to use it who would break free?
You say MM's tele assaults rarely dont work ehh? So that means that sometimes it didnt. I have yet to see an instance where someone enters the mind of Strange once the spell has been cast.
You must have forgotten about the recharge on the GL ringg ehh? Days? I give it 2 days max, if that.
Theres been more than 1 occasion where Namor has lifted more than 100 tons. Proof you ask?
Sub-Mariner #52(first series) --Namor holds, at arms length, a huge tankership loaded with chemical defoliant weighing at least 110,000 tons. Theres one.
Hulk Annual 98 -- Namor easily holds 2,000 ton destroyer overhead and slams it into Attuma. Theres two.
Yes Flash can go faster than instant transmission, BUT needs help along with time to do it. And he wont get the time against the Defenders. Your logic is flawed again sir.
Flash v.3 #136-8 -- Flash evenly races an energy being who moves at or beyond lightspeed, then, boosted by the collective speed of humanity, outruns "instant transmission' that is specifically referred to as being beyond lightspeed.
Good try though.
Namor is really underrated. Thank the inconsistency of the writers there.
Surfer will shift himself into hyperspace and take out half if not all the JLA. Surfer is not limited to the Speed Of Light. I've also proven he battles at beyond the speeds of light. He will drain Supes solar energy, just like this Sun :
PT. 1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3642099
PT. 2
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3642153
Thus further empower himself. MM won't even have time for a telepathic assault. Strange in all his years has excellent defenses against telepaths. Dormammu, Mephisto, Shuma Gorath, all have some sort of telepathy, which I'm pretty sure is beyond that of MM's and he always finds a way to come out on top.
Originally posted by Sentry
MM won't even have time for a telepathic assault. Strange in all his years has excellent defenses against telepaths. Dormammu, Mephisto, Shuma Gorath, all have some sort of telepathy, which I'm pretty sure is beyond that of MM's and he always finds a way to come out on top.
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Originally posted by jrodslam
Strange has neve met a telepath on MM's lvl, so how can you automatically assume that MM can enter the mind? A bit premature on your part.Who mentioned anything about Cyttorak's bands? Not me. Does anyone in the JLA have some type of magical protection? NO they dont, so even IF Strange were to use it who would break free?
You say MM's tele assaults rarely dont work ehh? So that means that sometimes it didnt. I have yet to see an instance where someone enters the mind of Strange once the spell has been cast.
Can Strange's force field resist to heat vision full force, martian vision full force, GL Ring blast, and Speed Force energy blasts in a powerful combo?You must have forgotten about the recharge on the GL ringg ehh? Days? I give it 2 days max, if that.<---The fight will not go on for more than 10hours.
Theres been more than 1 occasion where Namor has lifted more than 100 tons. Proof you ask?
Sub-Mariner #52(first series) --Namor holds, at arms length, a huge tankership loaded with chemical defoliant weighing at least 110,000 tons. Theres one.<---tankership.So he was near the sea.
Hulk Annual 98 -- Namor easily holds 2,000 ton destroyer overhead and slams it into Attuma. Theres two.<---2,000<---two thousand tons?two hundred?write it better cause I can't understand it.
Yes Flash can go faster than instant transmission, BUT needs help along with time to do it. And he wont get the time against the Defenders. Your logic is flawed again sir.<---Now, please, tell me
Flash v.3 #136-8 -- Flash evenly races an energy being who moves at or beyond lightspeed, then, boosted by the collective speed of humanity, outruns "instant transmission' that is specifically referred to as being beyond lightspeed.<---He can do it even without tapping into the speed of humanity, he has mastered the use of the Speed Force, he can reach the speed he needs to achieve.
Surfer not always speedblit guys, and his reflexes are not of Flashes level, it means he can match his speed but not even lay an hand on him.Good try though.
Originally posted by Sentry
Namor is really underrated. Thank the inconsistency of the writers there.Surfer will shift himself into hyperspace and take out half if not all the JLA. Surfer is not limited to the Speed Of Light. I've also proven he battles at beyond the speeds of light. He will drain Supes solar energy, just like this Sun :
PT. 1
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3642099
PT. 2
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3642153
Thus further empower himself. MM won't even have time for a telepathic assault. Strange in all his years has excellent defenses against telepaths. Dormammu, Mephisto, Shuma Gorath, all have some sort of telepathy, which I'm pretty sure is beyond that of MM's and he always finds a way to come out on top.
Heat vision full force? Martian vision full force? GL ring blast? Speed force energy blasts? All at the same time? Lol. are you kidding? All that just to break Strange's ff? If the JLA has to do that, they already lost.
I do agree that the fight wont last more than 10 hours. Defenders beat the JLA then go to Atlantis for lunch.
Hulk Annual 98, 2,000 ton. Sorry.
Flash has mastered the speed force YES. Instant transmission without borrowing speed or entering the speed force? No sir. And if he tries entering the sf, he risks time travelling. Would he take the risk in battle? Doubt it.
I do agree with you saying that SS doesnt always speed blitz. Flash is always expected to though. And as we all saw in Identity Crisis, Deathstroke was counting on it. So would Strange. Plus with the speedblitz, Flash wont penetrate the ff.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
yeah its just barry, not wally. and i have a ? about stranges field. is it IMPOSSIBLE to get any type of attack through or is it just really really difficult.
Ive never seen anyone or anything penetrate it.and how can it only work one way? how can the defenders be able to attack the jla, if the jla cant get through the ff?
Thorugh the ff bubble they cant attack out of. Strange puts a protective field like aura around the members individualy. Ive only seem him do this with Hulk. When he put it around himself that enabled him to use his magics. In the ff, ive never seem him do it while inside.
Superman -- Strange(i think he can use magic LMAO)
Batman - (let namor handle him)
Wonderwoman - Hulk keep her busy.
Green Lantern (Hal), Flash (Barry) ,Aquaman. SS takes all of them, isn't GL ring energy? Ohh wait he can suck that too. LMAO.
SS can take most of the JLA by himself, and Strange this guy is master of magic.
Hulk, Namor and other can keep them busy LMAO.
He can bring people to different dimension also, if anyone gives him problem he does that.
SS is too versatile.
Physically he has taken hits from, Hulk, Champion, and Thor and got up like it was nothing etc.
Strange --- he will turn the rest into moneys? LMAO
