Full Power Tyrant VS. Full Power Molecule Man

MM cant be beaten by tyrant...are you mofokers crazy!!! MM is just a compassionate, simpleton version of Mad Jim Jaspers..if not more powerful, sure retcon has f ****ed up the cubes mythos , but they have since been retconned twice since then so Owen is a true reality warper now, he just lacks the intelligence, and imagination to weild his powers effectively...i mean even b4 doom removed the mental blocks he was dropping 150 billion ton mountains on ppl, and once said blocks were removed he re-lit all the stars of a previously snuffed out galaxy...and thats when he was just getting the hang of his powers.

Originally posted by manjaro
MM cant be beaten by tyrant...are you mofokers crazy!!! MM is just a compassionate, simpleton version of Mad Jim Jaspers..if not more powerful, sure retcon has f ****ed up the cubes mythos , but they have since been retconned twice since then so Owen is a true reality warper now, he just lacks the intelligence, and imagination to weild his powers effectively...i mean even b4 doom removed the mental blocks he was dropping 150 billion ton mountains on ppl, and once said blocks were removed he re-lit all the stars of a previously snuffed out galaxy...and thats when he was just getting the hang of his powers.

Did Kubik say tha Celestials are far beyond Cosmic Cubes.
Full powered Tyarnt would humiliate Full powered Molecule Man.

Originally posted by manjaro
MM cant be beaten by tyrant...are you mofokers crazy!!! MM is just a compassionate, simpleton version of Mad Jim Jaspers..if not more powerful, sure retcon has f ****ed up the cubes mythos , but they have since been retconned twice since then so Owen is a true reality warper now, he just lacks the intelligence, and imagination to weild his powers effectively...i mean even b4 doom removed the mental blocks he was dropping 150 billion ton mountains on ppl, and once said blocks were removed he re-lit all the stars of a previously snuffed out galaxy...and thats when he was just getting the hang of his powers.

All opinion or poor recollection:

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As first mentioned in the fantastic four annual and as subsequently referred to in this 90's bio, Molecule mans power is dwarfed by the likes of the Celestials, Galactus and even the Watchers. All of the feats youre referring to happened back in the 80's so with that in mind according to the aforementioned sources they could easily be achieved by the Watchers and upwards. A full powered Tyrant is on par with Galactus, he would annihilate Molecule Man.

Originally posted by Molecule man
You got it all wrong MM is the most powerful cube being confirmed by Kubik in FF 27. The energy from his fight with Beyonder caused a Watcher to go blind, made a plant alive and so on.

He don't just manipulate molecules anymore he can warp reality on a universal scale not illusion like some of you say.

Owen is certainly above a Watcher...but Full powered MM would still get whuped by full power Tyrant who was destroying galaxies in his fights with Galactus in his day.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Owen is certainly above a Watcher...but Full powered MM would still get whuped by full power Tyrant who was destroying galaxies in his fights with Galactus in his day.

No MM is not certainly above a Watcher. Not according to official sources since the demotion of the cube beings. Due to the pledge of non interference however Molecule Man has better feats than we've seen from a Watcher, theres a difference.

That happened after the demotion...although he was demoted, the modern MM is way more powerful than when he was originally demoted.

Originally posted by Wynndar
That happened after the demotion...although he was demoted, the modern MM is way more powerful than when he was originally demoted.

He may have performed some impressive feats since the demotion, but never since the demotion has his position in the hierarchy been shown or stated on panel to have changed since it was clarified by sources such as the fantastic four annuals and handbook entries. Youre making assumptions.

I thought the last F4 annual he appeared in stated he had become more powerful...and that was the issue where the Watcher went blind. Do u have scans?

Originally posted by Wynndar
I thought the last F4 annual he appeared in stated he had become more powerful...and that was the issue where the Watcher went blind. Do u have scans?

Tell me the issue number and i'll post some.

i think someone said it was annual #27...I cant garuantee it tho... U sound like u've read the issue where the Watcher went blind? which one was it?

pre retcon mm owns tyrant

Originally posted by ctu_stylez
pre retcon mm owns tyrant

pre retcon Molecule Man not only owns Tyrant but the rest of the cosmics aswell including the Living Tribunal.

Only Jean Grey(Phoenix Force)may be able to oppose him,
Thanos with the Heart of the Infinite may give him a fight but would loose in the end, after all Thanos only destroyed a universe, he did however absorb all the beings of said universe, including Abstracts and LT which is why I say he'll give him a fight(maybe), pre retcon Molecule Man could have destroyed the Multiverse just like Classic Beyonder.

Here we see the kind of respect MM had.

When the Watcher literally bowed down to him, and BEGGED for him to help in stopping the all powerful Beyonder.