ESB Luke vs TPM Obi-Wan

Ridiculous. Obi Wan was getting all up in Maul's grill, to quote a guy I worked with. For a padawan he had amazing skill and potential that Luke clearly didn't have. Watch the fight again. Maul's good, but Obi Wan was able to keep up with him and even push him back after Qui Gon died. Maul's sole advantage came when he force pushed Obi Wan off the ledge.

As for Luke, he's no Jedi. He's a farmboy with a long way to go, even by ROTJ. He could not and would not beat Obi Wan at any phase in the Jedi's life.

Even if it were ROTJ Luke, I still think Obi-Wan will whip his ass.

please say something to support you crap idea

maul was all over obi till the end.....and even then, when he was on the defensive, he was ownin'. but the fact is he lost-tear-

obi wuld beat lukes anus though....ESB

you are all stupid. just thought you should know.

someone else must be as smart as me and think that Luke would in.

just because we dont agree with you makes us instantly stupid.....Damn you suck.

Maybe you should consider that the more people who think it, it may be right.
I hae learned to deal with it....ESB Luke would lose dude.

well i am sorry that i have dificulty displaying sarcasm over the internet.

calling people stupid isnt any kind of sarcasm as i see it. just dont be a weenie is all im sayin.

Alf gives you a thumns up.

Training

Obi Wan- Formal training for about fifteen years plus at the hands of Qui Gon Jinn.

Luke- A fraction of that, if at all, most by himself and a bit with Yoda.

Abilities

Obi Wan- Clear use of blaster deflection, force jumping, pulling, pushing. Ability to hold his own against the deadly and quick Maul.

Luke- Most of the same, though to a lesser extent. Definately less refined.

Temperment

Obi Wan- More rash then we're used to him being, but still pretty level headed and confident.

Luke- An immature boy who is hasty, emotional, and uncertain.

that cleary states Luke is better.

Where? Luke did not have the discipline to be a true Jedi. His rashness, emotional attitudes, and his uncertainty undermine any abilities he has. Even Obi Wan, after being pushed off of the ledge, was still able to clear his mind, draw upon the Force, and make a devastating comeback.

there goes more vain sarcastic attempts

Where's your compelling argument, then?

I argue Luke is more powerful because he blew up the death star with the aid of the force after only having known about it for 3 or 4 days. And he did take on Vader, which was stupid, but he did, sort of okay lol

But Janus is right, Obi-Wan's training and skill would lead him to victory on this one.

Luke- An immature boy who is hasty, emotional, and uncertain.

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
and still resisted dark side against 2 VERY powerfull sith lords,that statement is sh1t 💃

He resisted it because of his Sister... You see him go over the edge when Vader mentions Leia... He beats Vader and then he remembers who is dad is and what happend to him, then he remembers his sister and what kind of life he could still have.

Luke had a better reason to stay light then Anakin did, and Sidious hardly wasted time trying to persuade him. Didn't work in a few minutes okay you die...

Obi is simply more trained and he would get victory out of that alone. What is luke but a boy with only a few weeks of training. What is luke but a lucky kid that hasn't even started his road to become a real Jedi yet.

Luke. He had (contrary to popular belief) several months of training as a Jedi. He had fought Darth Vader on some weird planet, and survived because of the Kyber crystal. It is also not impossible to train yourself. Where were the first jedi trained? Luke wins. The Kyber crystal enhanced his connection to the force which allowed him to actually cut off Vader mechanical arm in a battle( he did have help from Leia though).

Obi-wan may have killed Obi-wan but he did barely any of the work. Qui-gon did practically everything. I also think that Obi-wan was in a crazy force faze after seeing him Master killed. (Something similar would be when Anakin Solo became one with the force for a few minutes before he died and killed hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong and the Queen Jedi Killer. His brother Jacen also reached this during the attack on Shimera's palace, but he, unlike his brother survived.

Does anyone think that Obi-wan never taught Luke when he was a Force Ghost? Seems very likely to me that he did because he knew he would need the training. That could be three years of training by Obi-wan by ESB.

All of the following times assume that the fighters kept fighting after the seen changed to a different location.

Qui-gon and Obi-wan vs. Darth Maul

Qui-gon and Obi-wan, 251 seconds
Qui-gon by himself, 71 seconds
Obi-wan by himself, 37 seconds

Luke vs. Darth Vader

Luke by himself, 356 seconds

This is not counting the fight in Splinter of the Minds Eye.(mainly because I thought that fight was dumb anyway.)

I personally think that Darth Vader is the stronger Sith Lord, and Luke fought him longer than Obi-wan did by himself.

All of the following times assume that the fighters kept fighting after the seen changed to a different location.

Conclusion.

Luke managed to hold out against a stronger Sith Lord longer than Obi-wan. This just shows more skill and capability.

Though I love Glentract's points about Luke's power, I think Obi would probably beat ESB Luke. Now ROTJ Luke would easily beat TPM Obi. Obi-Wan just had more experience, about 13 years in the temple, then 13 years from Qui-Gon.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Luke. He had (contrary to popular belief) several months of training as a Jedi. He had fought Darth Vader on some weird planet, and survived because of the Kyber crystal. It is also not impossible to train yourself. Where were the first jedi trained? Luke wins. The Kyber crystal enhanced his connection to the force which allowed him to actually cut off Vader mechanical arm in a battle( he did have help from Leia though).

Obi-wan may have killed Obi-wan but he did barely any of the work. Qui-gon did practically everything. I also think that Obi-wan was in a crazy force faze after seeing him Master killed. (Something similar would be when Anakin Solo became one with the force for a few minutes before he died and killed hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong and the Queen Jedi Killer. His brother Jacen also reached this during the attack on Shimera's palace, but he, unlike his brother survived.

Does anyone think that Obi-wan never taught Luke when he was a Force Ghost? Seems very likely to me that he did because he knew he would need the training. That could be three years of training by Obi-wan by ESB.

All of the following times assume that the fighters kept fighting after the seen changed to a different location.

Qui-gon and Obi-wan vs. Darth Maul

Qui-gon and Obi-wan, 251 seconds
Qui-gon by himself, 71 seconds
Obi-wan by himself, 37 seconds

Luke vs. Darth Vader

Luke by himself, 356 seconds

This is not counting the fight in Splinter of the Minds Eye.(mainly because I thought that fight was dumb anyway.)

I personally think that Darth Vader is the stronger Sith Lord, and Luke fought him longer than Obi-wan did by himself.

All of the following times assume that the fighters kept fighting after the seen changed to a different location.

Conclusion.

Luke managed to hold out against a stronger Sith Lord longer than Obi-wan. This just shows more skill and capability.

Your points:

It is not impossible to train yourself. It's also not a sure fire way to become better than a professionally trained person. I could spend three months or three years practising to become a pilot, but it's unlikely I would best someone who was one for almost two decades.

Luke survived because of a Kyber crystal. Of course he did. He was in ESB. He had to survive. Moot point, really. Does he carry that crystal around all the time? Is that even a valid thing to add to his defense? He's juiced on some crystal and yet couldn't levitate his own ship out of the swamp? Pfft.

Now, as for Obi's encounter with Maul, I've watched the battle many times (I have a clip of it for just this purpose) and I've come to a lot of conclusions. First off, Qui Gon was a very in-your-face fighter and isn't exactly the kind to compliment another Jedi. And while he did quite good considering, after his death Obi Wan was much better. His parries and blows were like lightning and I personally think Maul was getting impatient because he suddenly knew Obi Wan would not be an easy kill. Saying Obi's clearly shown talent is inferior to Luke's untrained abilities is ridiculous. There's nothing to show that Luke defeated anyone on Obi's level, and don't give me that "He beat Vader" crap. For one, mecha Vader wasn't out to saber his son in half. If he was, it'd be a real short trilogy. Two, he didn't do it with a multitude of skill. It was more like hit or miss really.

I'd love to see it where Obi Wan as a Force Ghost trains Luke for three years before ESB. The kid was led to Yoda to begin training as a Jedi. He wasn't sent to Yoda to continue his training. There's just nothing to support such an idea.

Your times are cute and perhaps even correct, but older fights went by slower. The moves were slower, more drama was involved, less flashy crap. The prequel fights are probably so damn short because the new generation attention span can't last a five, ten, or fifteen minutes duel.

So you're saying anyone that fights better in the MOVIES is stronger? Well then why didn't you vote for Maul against Dooku? Maul is clearly superior in fighting and Dooku's lightning sure wouldn't work. Sounds like you only bring this point up when its a first trilogy vs second trilogy type fight.

And of course Obi-Wan was training Luke between 4 and 5. Do you really think he would just let the only hope (or so he thought) just sit by and do nothing? In ANH Luke sure doesn't have telekinesis but by the start of 5 he does, it would probably be hard to learn that all on your own.

I still think Obi would win, don't get me wrong, it just wouldn't be a cake walk. Obi-Wan did have a lot of potential himself, more than the average Jedi to say the least.