Originally posted by Darth Revan33
So you're saying anyone that fights better in the MOVIES is stronger? Well then why didn't you vote for Maul against Dooku? Maul is clearly superior in fighting and Dooku's lightning sure wouldn't work. Sounds like you only bring this point up when its a first trilogy vs second trilogy type fight.And of course Obi-Wan was training Luke between 4 and 5. Do you really think he would just let the only hope (or so he thought) just sit by and do nothing? In ANH Luke sure doesn't have telekinesis but by the start of 5 he does, it would probably be hard to learn that all on your own.
I still think Obi would win, don't get me wrong, it just wouldn't be a cake walk. Obi-Wan did have a lot of potential himself, more than the average Jedi to say the least.
Becaus Dooku has a superior fighting style, Mauls maybe effective but not against a lightsaber master. Maul would die because Dooku has superior skills and training.
Now what makes you think Obi trained Luke?
When Luke see's Obi ghost in ROTJ he acts confused and is very surprised to see it, he wasn't expecting it and he sure as hell didn't see it a lot. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so confused about it. If Obi trained Luke, Luke would have known that Obi could do that and would not have been so surprised. Luke was trained on the way towards Alderaan and on Dagaboh by Yoda. And that was only a very small time, before he ran off to save his friends. He returned to Yoda in ROTJ and then Yoda was dying.
He didn't recieve a lot of training, he was a natural in the force and sure as hell learned fast, but he didn't have the knowledge of Lightsabers fighting that Obi did and he didn't have the knowledge of the force Obi had either. Everytime you see Luke with a lightsaber in ESB he moves it like a untrained person moves a sword. He did not have the skill to beat Obi.
Its like Obi was standing up against a very powerful Padawan that knew almost nothing about the force and training, his affinity with the force would not help him without training. He hardly had any. Obi would have won, and he would have done so easily.
Originally posted by Fishy
He resisted it because of his Sister... You see him go over the edge when Vader mentions Leia... He beats Vader and then he remembers who is dad is and what happend to him, then he remembers his sister and what kind of life he could still have.Luke had a better reason to stay light then Anakin did, and Sidious hardly wasted time trying to persuade him. Didn't work in a few minutes okay you die...
Obi is simply more trained and he would get victory out of that alone. What is luke but a boy with only a few weeks of training. What is luke but a lucky kid that hasn't even started his road to become a real Jedi yet.
more importantly(if this wasnt said already) he resisted them in ROTJ not ESB which is the version fighting here.
Maul was a better duelist. He was trained from birth to be a Sith Lord, Dooku only had 10 years of Sith training. And I'm mostly saying that he was better in the movies. Alot of it comes from the actors, but AOTC Dooku just can't compare with TPM Maul.
On subject though, Luke wasn't really that surprised to see Ben, and he was near losing consciousness. He learned more than just in the movies. Besides, he impressed Vader whom is said to be stronger than Maul. Luke's training was lacking but he could almost compete with Vader. Lucas says so himself. He did even get a good hit on Vader with his lightsaber.
Even still, I think TPM Obi-Wan wins. Though not by too much.