Originally posted by LordFear
isn't it conceivable that BB could withstand blows from Nef?
BB is class 1 in normal situations.... when he uses his power to boost his strength he can attain class 60 status...... that's not even close to being enough to withstand a punch from someone who can shift thousands of tons
Originally posted by ScooblessAt the time it was the first appearance of Nefaria with Superman type powers (excluding senses and flight) bar creating a giant shockwave the end of the previous issue to herald his arrival) he was after the immortality he thought he would gain through having thors hammer not realising thor got his imortality ffrom idunns apples. It was revealed Nefaria was imortal anyway and did not lose any energy. Still beats BB though 😄
i haven't read all his appearances but that sounds doubtfulmaybe because he used to lose power quickly..... especially if he expended a lot of energy in a fight..... he doesn't do that so much anymore
and the 100 times thing is from online bio's that i've come across..... i didn't just pull a figure out of thin air
Originally posted by KhellendrosHe can still feel pain but he is about as strong in my opinion as a mildly enraged hul and slightly more invulnerable to pain. He also has superspeed although not in the Superman class and laser vision which is quite powerful.
Can Nefaria still feel pain? If so, he's going down for the same reason Wonder Man would. Black Bolt attacks his nervous system, and keeps him at bay with a force field. Strength and power doesn't mean sh*t if Nefaria can't land a blow on BB.
Originally posted by Molecule man
BB fought against the Sphynx to a standstill and Sphynx again fought against Galactus. If BB uses his scream then CN is toast, he doesn't even have to use it to win
but that wasn't when the Spinx had all the Xandarian computers knowledge and a mystical boost like when he fought galactus
I do not agree with Scoobless about Nefaria being Supes x5 but he is to much for black bolt he is very fast at least as quick as quiclsilver and he hits harder than Thor. I think this is more than BB could handle hand to hand. As stated waaaay back in these posts Black Bolts blast is powerful at least nuke warhead class. Would that stop Nefaria though? Black bolt is toough and underated but Nefaria is a tank.
<<p he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.>>
the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.
nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!
BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
I do not agree with Scoobless about Nefaria being Supes x5 but he is to much for black bolt he is very fast at least as quick as quiclsilver and he hits harder than Thor. I think this is more than BB could handle hand to hand. As stated waaaay back in these posts Black Bolts blast is powerful at least nuke warhead class. Would that stop Nefaria though? Black bolt is toough and underated but Nefaria is a tank.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<p he was just an immortal wizard with a gem stone giving him his powers. Pretty tough still.>>the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.
nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!
BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.
Yes the Spinx was only uber after he absorbed Xandars computers and had a boost.
Nefaria did catch Thors hammer, it hurt him, but he did it. In the same battle both Iron man going through his I can boost my power phase staggered him. Wondy with Caps Shield also staggered him so his strength has limits.but he is still to much for BB.
Originally posted by leonidas
the old nova battled the sphinx on numerous occasions, and nova was only in spidey's class. sphinx was more powerful than nova, but nova held his own on numerous occasions. i don't think the sphinx argument is gonna win you any votes here.nef has actually CAUGHT thor's hammer. the only upper limit ever discovered on his strength was that he could not break cap's shield. other than that, no limit is known. he has super speed (whizzer) and laser vision (living laser who has utterly carved up iron man) and has proven tough enough to withstand pronged damage from all the avengers + the t-bolts - simultaneously!
BB is a long way out of his league. BB's scream is akin to a nuclear bomb. the hulk is impervious enough (according to his bio) to withstand ground zero. i would surmise (based on everything i have seen of him) CN could do the same. thing is, BB would HAVE to use his scream, it would be his ONLY chance. i don't think this is much of a fight. BB unleashes his full power, maybe he has a tiny chance. anything else BUT that full power, CN crushes him. quickly.
BB ALWAYS fights "out of his league". That's why he's so awesome. He takes on Gladiator, Adam Warlock and a suped-up Graviton. He's taken on the Hulk multiple times and made him his b*tch each time. He can turn normal matter into anti-matter bombs, the possibility of facing his scream has made cosmic level beings flinch. Nefaria is getting put down like a rapid dog.
<<Did Nova ever bring Sphynx to his knees, saying the pain was unimaginable?>>
i'm curious - where did this happen? what comic? and what cosmic being do you know that has 'flinched'? CN is a tougher gladiator. warlock is no where close to this level. as i said - if BB unleashed the FULL force of his power, he MAY have a tiny chance (doesn't using his full force weaken him though?) anything less than his absolute FULLEST power and he would get squashed because there is nothing else he could do to hurt CN. i'm not gonna disagree with BB's being underrated, but you can't just throw him in against anybody and say he can win just because you feel he's been underrated. if he can't beat the hulk, he's sure as hell not taking down CN.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Did Nova ever bring Sphynx to his knees, saying the pain was unimaginable?>>i'm curious - where did this happen? what comic?
and what cosmic being do you know that has 'flinched'?
CN is a tougher gladiator. warlock is no where close to this level.
as i said - if BB unleashed the FULL force of his power, he MAY have a tiny chance (doesn't using his full force weaken him though?) anything less than his absolute FULLEST power and he would get squashed because there is nothing else he could do to hurt CN. i'm not gonna disagree with BB's being underrated, but you can't just throw him in against anybody and say he can win just because you feel he's been underrated. if he can't beat the hulk, he's sure as hell not taking down CN.
It was a supposed galaxy collector called Vortex.
Show me CN swimming through a sun and I'll believe he's tougher than Gladiator. Oh, by the way, BB knocked Gladiator with his voice once and traded blows with him another time. Using his Master Blow weaknes him, but not using his voice. Nefaria is dead.
BB can beat the Hulk, and has done so repeatedly. BB has a better chance of defeating Nefaria than anyone gives him credit for.
i'm not saying he has NO chance. just a very small one. and by saying CN is dead, you are by association saying BB could whup all the most powerful avengers + the t-bolts at once. you can't really believe this, can you? the thing has put up a good fight against him! again, by your comment with galdiator - hulk beat glads. i'm thinking glads and BB are in the same class (which puts him in a class with SS and probably thor as well - pretty good company!) but none of them could take on all the avengers at once either - CN did. easily. he was weakened the first time round when he thought he was dying and lost his 'faith' in his power. the second go round, not all the avengers and t-bolts together (including 2 ionic beings) could even slow him down.
again - BB is powerful. but he's fighting out of his weight class in this one.