Darkness can't be nothing because it is something, nothing most likely is an object of the mind, like my empire which is nothing. But how can it be nothing when it's an object of the mind!Empty is not nothing for it is an description, nothing is summat it is a word.The vast Empty spaces of space consist of dark matter, all the things that you think are nothing are something and I'm beginning to doubt it exists.
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Re: Nothingness
What is nothingness? Can such a thing exist?
Anything that exists, would be something. So exists nothingness only as a concept in the mind?
1. Physical-Sensory Nothingness. Given a "perfect vacuum," there are still quantum fluctuations, according to physicists. Even macroscopically, if there was true nothingness between the stars, then all the stars would be touching because, indeed, there would be "nothing" between them.
2. Mental-Symbolic Nothingness. As an abstraction, an idea, Nothingness is easy enough to define, but impossible to imagine/visualize because, as I mentioned in a prior post, the Imaginer and the Act-of-Imagining will always be present.
3. Spiritual-Mystical Nothingness. All mystical schools of thought postulate a level of reality variously called the Void, the Abyss, Nonbeing, Nothingness, and so on. This is a domain absolutely, positively and unimaginably imperceptible, even to the most advanced meditator. This is "Godhead," where all Form / Being / Everything comes from, the mysterium tremendum, wherein God is not relating to the world, only to Himself. Is this Genuine Nothingness? Well, once we bring "God" into the discussion and start applying logic, we're gonna end up only with paradox.
To "be" nothingness, it is required nothingness to not be defined. This happens for two reasons :
1-) Everything that is defined is something.
2-) All that is something is not nothingness.
Thats the condition that must be satisfied. So all you have to do is to explain what nothingness is without defining it. Pretty weird.
What does it mean to explain something without defining it ?
It's weird because we're playing with our wording and thinking. "Nothing is Something" only because we're discussing it, so it does exist as an idea, an abstraction or definition (stated as such when Storm started this thread, and what I elaborated on a few posts up). But this is not the same as it suddenly existing in the physical world (which is usually what people mean when they say something is "real"😉.
If we talk about unicorns, do they now exist in the physical sense? No (at least as far as we know). But they are existing, momentarily, as a concept.
When discussing abstractions, it helps to be mindful of the limitations of language...unless, of course, one is just having some fun. 😈
Whatever nothingness "is". "It" can´t be referred to using language, we will always end with paradoxes. All we say about "it" must be understood in a figurative sense. We must understand nothingness by itself not worrying too much about if it was defined precisely by language because it certainly wasn´t.
The problem is that it is not just a language problem, but nothingness cannot be imagined as a concept too. "It" "is" the absence of the concepts that we are always associating to the words of language. Perhaps nothingness is just "something" to contemplate.
Originally posted by KILLA420
nothingness doesnt exist, there is always something somewhere. however small or insignificant it might be......
Some concepts don't exist either.
ex: Time Travel
ex: Dragons
ex: Sorcerers
ex: World Peace
But we can still name them, and refer to them as "something" without them automatically existing in reality.
I do not see the dilemma or point to argument here.