Originally posted by colossus17
i am talking about the beyonder race.....
Where did you get beyond the multiverse? what issue?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the true beyonder race are from the beyond realm which is beyond THE MULTIVERSE, not just the universe. he OWNED the tribunal, who couldnt do anythin to him, reed richards himself said that the beyonder had the potential to destroy the entire multiversem and the celestials believed that threat too, the beyonder race is second only to TOAA, or maybe a full power franklin richards.
It was everything illusion, he didn't destroy Death, it was only illusion, there was never original Beyonder, there is only one Beyonder, original was the one everyone thought he has those unlimited, but actully he didn't.
LT could destroy Beyond Realm with snap of two fingers.
Originally posted by Xplosive
It was everything illusion, he didn't destroy Death, it was only illusion, there was never original Beyonder, there is only one Beyonder, original was the one everyone thought he has those unlimited, but actully he didn't.
LT could destroy Beyond Realm with snap of two fingers.
Um, that's right. An illusion! 🙄
He said the original Beyonder. Not the reckonned Beyonder, meaning look at Beyonder from Secret War I and II. How would that Beyonder do against LT?
And before Marvel decided to reckon him, Beyonder was like to Eternity as Eternity is to an average human. Galactus himself said the Beyonder was beyond the multiverse. LT couldn't do sh!t, even though Beyonder killed Death.
Pre-reconned Beyonder > LT.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Um, that's right. An illusion! 🙄He said the original Beyonder. Not the reckonned Beyonder, meaning look at Beyonder from Secret War I and II. How would that Beyonder do against LT?
And before Marvel decided to reckon him, Beyonder was like to Eternity as Eternity is to an average human. Galactus himself said the Beyonder was beyond the multiverse. LT couldn't do sh!t, even though Beyonder killed Death.
Pre-reconned Beyonder > LT.
But there was no original Beyonder.
Originally posted by kgkg
But there was no original Beyonder.
I really don't know what's up with this forum, most other's get what original Beyonder is.
I'll try to clear this up. "Original" is a stipulation. It refers to a pre-reckonned Beyonder. Beyonder before Marvel decided to say that Beyonder was an illusionist.
Now, Pre-Reconned is NOT Pre-Crisis. Similar, both not the same. Pre-Reconned Beyonder refers to Beyonder of SW I and II. Pre-Crisis = Before Crisis of Infinite Earth - another reconned but also an event. All Marvel did was say Beyonder is nothing but an illusionist; it killed everything that Beyonder did as a feat.
You shouldn't take into account what happens in SWIII and everything after that. Pre-Reconned Beyonder is everything in SW I and II.
Why you say? That Beyonder was the closes thing to God in the comics - hence why Marvel decided to reconned. Some fans love that Beyonder and thought the reconned was stupidly executed and a cheesy way to depower such a cool character.
When people refer to the "original" they're talking about Beyonder before being reconned into a cube being.
Why use him in this way? Why not? It's a forum and you can use any scenerio you want. What's wrong with using a character from a certain time as oppose to giving them powers of other characters, doing fusions, using alter-egos, etc. in a fight?
Originally posted by Beyonder
I really don't know what's up with this forum, most other's get what original Beyonder is.I'll try to clear this up. "Original" is a stipulation. It refers to a pre-reckonned Beyonder. Beyonder before Marvel decided to say that Beyonder was an illusionist.
Now, Pre-Reconned is NOT Pre-Crisis. Similar, both not the same. Pre-Reconned Beyonder refers to Beyonder of SW I and II. Pre-Crisis = Before Crisis of Infinite Earth - another reconned but also an event. All Marvel did was say Beyonder is nothing but an illusionist; it killed everything that Beyonder did as a feat.
You shouldn't take into account what happens in SWIII and everything after that. Pre-Reconned Beyonder is everything in SW I and II.
Why you say? That Beyonder was the closes thing to God in the comics - hence why Marvel decided to reconned. Some fans love that Beyonder and thought the reconned was stupidly executed and a cheesy way to depower such a cool character.
When people refer to the "original" they're talking about Beyonder before being reconned into a cube being.
Why use him in this way? Why not? It's a forum and you can use any scenerio you want. What's wrong with using a character from a certain time as oppose to giving them powers of other characters, doing fusions, using alter-egos, etc. in a fight?
If you want to use SWI, II then he is stronger than LT.
Even the watcher claimed that fact.
🙁
"Classic" Beyonder then? Well, Doom beat him...
The first Secret Wars was cool. Plenty of fights, surprising alliances, long term repercussions (Spidey's Symbiote, Kitty & Collossus splitting up, Vision taking over the world, Thing's solo mag, etc), and surprising plot twists galore.
The second SW was a shameless money grab crammed down the writers throats, and it showed. The only parts I liked were when he had to figure out how to poo and when Rachel-Pheonix went all out.
Beyonder - the poster - is right. The "original, classic" Beyonder was insanely powerful. Illusions my ass lol. He did all those things (destroying death, killing countless civilizations without breaking a sweat, totally humiliating the celestials) with his own power.
He was definitely more powerful than the IG.
But Marvel-writers - god bless'em 😘 - decided, after the whole Secret Wars I and II thing, that the Beyonder was too powerful, he almost was a true God, or maybe even The God. That's why they decided to come up with a story that would make clear that all what he had done (or at least a lot of it) was only an illusion.
I never never liked that decision of Marvel, to put it mildly.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Beyonder - the poster - is right. The "original, classic" Beyonder was insanely powerful. Illusions my ass lol. He did all those things (destroying death, killing countless civilizations without breaking a sweat, totally humiliating the celestials) with his own power.He was definitely more powerful than the IG.
But Marvel-writers - god bless'em 😘 - decided, [b]after
the whole Secret Wars I and II thing, that the Beyonder was too powerful, he almost was a true God, or maybe even The God. That's why they decided to come up with a story that would make clear that all what he had done (or at least a lot of it) was only an illusion.I never never liked that decision of Marvel, to put it mildly. [/B]
When beyonder backslapped the Celestials.
The celestial made him believe that he did it (created a Illusion to test the beyonder).
Even Kosmos (be yonder , empowered MM , Comic Cube) said that Celestials are way beyond their kind.
My point may have been missed.
I somehow don't see Doom cutting up Klaw, stealing some spare parts from Galactus's ship, and building a machine to steal the LT's power.
Yet, this happenned to the Beyonder...
I would contend that the absurdities of the SWII are themselves not the "Classic" Beyonder.
SWII was just dumb.
It worked, didn't it?
That Doom's whammy only worked at close range, and that he struck by surprise, just makes my point even moreso. Omnipotence doesn't need excuses.
Heck, this would've worked even better on SWII Beyonder. You could ambush him while he was on the toilet or indulging his latest desire or whatever. All the godlings he smacked around tried to take him head on.
Originally posted by Laminator_X
It worked, didn't it?That Doom's whammy only worked at close range, and that he struck by surprise, just makes my point even moreso. Omnipotence doesn't need excuses.
Heck, this would've worked even better on SWII Beyonder. You could ambush him while he was on the toilet or indulging his latest desire or whatever. All the godlings he smacked around tried to take him head on.
? What are you babbling about? Doom used claw and Galactus's ship to steal Galactus' power. Then he used Galactus' power to fight the Beyonder. Beyonder ripped him apart, dissecting him. Doom then used his armor to absorb Beyonder's power.
As for LT, LT couldn't beat Kovac, only contained him. And how did Korvac get so powerful? Oh that's right, from Galactus' ship.