living tribunal VS.classic beyonder is his realm

Thought I'd take a break from slapping little kids around and do some constructive analysis.

Living Tribunal vs. Classic Beyonder.

Ok, I understand that 'Classic Beyonder' refers to your state of mind when you think of the Beyonder...to properly participate in this discussion, you have to believe he was as powerful as depicted before his retcon.

With that in mind, you have to find a spot for him in the food chain, and it is surely near the top.

From what I remember he had insane reality warping abilities, he pushed around the Celestials, and 'killed' Death. I would place him at a level above Eternity and Death...but I didn't see anything that would suggest that he could eclipse LT.

In the multiverse controlled by LT, I would probably place him second.

LT can shut down an entire universe...BUT, he apparently has no jurisdiction in Beyonder's realm, so that presents a problem. Here's where the questions come into play.

How much raw power does LT possess? Just because he has no jurisdiction, does that mean he is physically unable to subdue the Beyonder? We will never know.

Considering we don't know, it's best to go on what we've seen. So strictly based on assumption, I would say the Beyonder would probably win. For the simple reason that he is in his realm, LT is outside of his. Sort of how Mephisto is uber powerful in his own realm, but considerably weaker outside.

thats the best analysis....thats exactly what i meant

Faker can't do nothing to LT. LT has the pwoer over all Marvel Universe, and Beyond realm is part of it, so LT crushes all. Always about that Realm is beyond Multiverse, how do you know LT doens't have power over Beyond Realm, has it been proven. LT has the power over all Marvel Universe, that is it.

? LT couldn't do shit to the original Beyonder. Proof? Yeah, he couldn't do sh!t except try to reason like every other deity to the Beyonder. Beyonder killed Death; LT and everyone else couldn't do a damn thing about it.

Faker? We're talking about the Original/Pre-Reconned Beyonder. Post-Reconned Marvel made him a "fake."

Well even the argument that The Beyonder's power is outside the multiverse and therfore not subject to The Living Tribunal's authority, TLB still has alot of power and an entire multiverse to show for it. I doubt he wouldn't be smart enough to call this an appocalyptic war and ask for all the help he could get. (Dr.Doom would obviously play a role. He'd never pass up such an oppurunity to topple a god..)

Unfourtanatly no matter who wins..
We lose..

Originally posted by Beyonder
? LT couldn't do shit to the original Beyonder. Proof? Yeah, he couldn't do sh!t except try to reason like every other deity to the Beyonder. Beyonder killed Death; LT and everyone else couldn't do a damn thing about it.

Faker? We're talking about the Original/Pre-Reconned Beyonder. Post-Reconned Marvel made him a "fake."

What is wrong with you, Original Beyonder=Beyonder (illusionst), the differnce is only that it was thought at begging he is so powerful, but he never was, and he isn't. Original Beyonder is shit compared to LT.

Originally posted by Xplosive
What is wrong with you, Original Beyonder=Beyonder (illusionst), the differnce is only that it was thought at begging he is so powerful, but he never was, and he isn't. Original Beyonder is shit compared to LT.

You have to suspend disbelief. You have to PRETEND that he and his powers were real. You have to shift your thinking back to the mid-80s and believe the Beyonder was everything he was depicted to be...then compare that to LT.

When you're done, then you can continue believing he was a faker.

Originally posted by Lord S
You don't understand.

You have to suspend disbelief. You have to PRETEND that he and his powers were real. You have to shift your thinking back to the mid-80s and believe the Beyonder was everything he was depicted to be...then compare that to LT.

When you're done, then you can continue believing he was a faker.

I am already through this, and now it's time for faker, and he always was.
It's useless to pretend and using Beyonder at the beggining (cause he isn't all that at all), cause his true pwoers were still shit.

If you're unable to debate by the required criteria, then you shouldn't be commenting in the first place.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I am already through this, and now it's time for faker, and he always was.

But some time later, some genius at Marvel decided that the Beyonder had become too powerful, so they wrote a story in which was explained that lots of his powers were merely illusions.

1. In this thread, we use the original Beyonder
2. Something else: even the Fake Beyonder was insanely powerful, because he sure fooled like the whole universe (or at least the whole earth).

Originally posted by Xplosive
I am already through this, and now it's time for faker, and he always was.
It's useless to pretend and using Beyonder at the beggining (cause he isn't all that at all), cause his true pwoers were still shit.

😆 Okay, it seems obvious you don't know how to seperate things. I'm afraid your head might pop if I were to go through this with you again.

🍺

Originally posted by who?-kid
No he wasn't always a "faker", that's the whole idea. During Secret Wars I and II, he was much much more powerful than Galactus, Death, all the Skyfathers, the Watchers and the Celestials together.

But some time later, some genius at Marvel decided that the Beyonder had become too powerful, so they wrote a story in which was explained that lots of his powers were merely illusions.

1. In this thread, we use the original Beyonder
2. Something else: even the Fake Beyonder was insanely powerful, because he sure fooled like the whole universe (or at least the whole earth).

You just don't get it, only his illusions made it seem he is more powerful, I canot take Original Beyodner serious since he is=Beyonder (illusionet), 100% no differnce between them, he was always the same, it was only thgouht he isn't, he never destroyed Death. Original Beyone was faker, don't use Original Beyonder did that and that, everything he has done were illusions, nothing more.

I think I didn't make myself clear enough 😉

Move one people, Original Beyoder was weak comapred to LT.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Move one people, Original Beyoder was weak comapred to LT.

Pre-Reconned is when his powers were real. (marvel made it a fake later on)

This is before when we knew that the Beyonder was a fake.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Move one people, Original Beyoder was weak comapred to LT.

LT > Beyonder > Eternity.

And you call that weak ?

Originally posted by who?-kid
No he wasn't. Eternity was really scared of him.

LT > Beyonder > Eternity.

And you call that weak ?

actually it's Beyonder > LT > Eternity.

Originally posted by who?-kid
I think I didn't make myself clear enough 😉

No you didn't. He just operates a lot slower than everyone else does.

Originally posted by kgkg
Original = Pre-Reconned

Pre-Reconned is when his powers were real. (marvel made it a fake later on)

This is before when we knew that the Beyonder was a fake.

Yes, but he was still fake (Original Beyodenr=faker that we found out later that he was fake) , only that we found out later, Beoynder was never what we thought he was, he was far less than LT, Eternity, we only thought he was above, while he was far from that.