Originally posted by long pig
a 3?
give him a lil more credit, he's a decent shot.
i'll say 7!
he is a great shot. but i think that if spidey fights defensively he'll be able to avoid bullseye and gambit at the same time. it doesnt matter how quickly or how accurately spidey is being shot at, if he is putting most of his mind to avoid them he will.
Originally posted by Bialaska
Slade claims this one. Not only is he more inventive and brilliant than Batman, so he can easily come up with ideas to take advantage of the powers that the others have, but he's prolly also the absolutely best fighter in DC, with reflexes that more than match Spideys.
Yes and Slade knows this about himself, and feels pretty highly about it.
Spidey is brilliant 2 and will probably frustrate him with constant joking and talking.
Originally posted by long pig
Derrick, how would Wolvie win?
Lets debate this, I want to hear differing opinions.
2. Now slade is the problem; I have a wizard book thats called wolverine vs the world. the writer of infinity crisis was the person who debated on the fight and he clearly said that he dont know who would win, he said that he will have to give slade a promethium sword (dc adamantium) to make the fight challenging.
During the fights i have seen of the 2 during the titans and x-men team up wolverine and slade was face to face and wolverine charged slade ending with him knocking slade out in 1 punch. when slade became concious he said that he it wasnt for his quick reflexes, wolverine would have taken his head off. The second round when slade got concious and threw colossus off the cliff wolverine charged him again ending with slade using his pole blasting wolverine, which lead to cyclops shooting slade in the back. But during the 1st encounter with slade and wolverine when wolverine knocked him out, if he had his claws extended, slade would have been dead.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
derrick, you dont convince anybody with "well this writer said this so it must be true" arguements. prove it yourself. i can give you many ways the other 2 can beat cyber, and many ways cyber can beat the other 2. give a way cyber can beat the other 2, and ill respond in way explainging how it wont work. instead of finding another quote at this point, explain why my responce was wrong. thats how debates work
how are u doing quick sorry im replying late.
1 way cyber could beat spiderman, is by koeing him and me knowing cyber as a killer; beating spiderman to death but you have slade there and it wont be easy.
If cyber gets 1 claw in (which is going to happen) on one of these contenders, thats 1 less person he has to worry about. If i was cyber i would go for slade 1st, seeing that spiderman looks like he weighs about 120lbs.
Now with me saying that, you all are going to bring up his prec., did that help him when he was fighting the jla and got stabbed in the eye, nope. Slade get hit just like everybody else does are you all wouldnt have known that he has a healing factor. I can truly see cyber clawing both of these 2, he never had a problem clawing anyone from marvel why would it be so different with slade.
Like i stated before spiderman is a non factor, the only thing he would be in this fight is a nuisance. I dont think that slade is faster than spiderman either, i keep seeing a lot of people on this site say that, the guy isnt dragonball z fast, any 1 of these fighter could land a blow, batman landed a blow and hes a human, nightwing has also landed a blow.
Blasting cyber isnt going to work, 10 ton strength isnt going to work, all of them have speed and everyone of cyber fights that i have seen him in he always put a beatdown on his opponents; the guy slapped quicksilver. What you all dont seem to understand is that cyber claws are tipped in poison, thats all it takes is 1 lick and the fight is over. You all are throwing in "spiderman has webbing and slade has gas bombs" but cyber has walked thru a lot worse than that and laughed it off. Do you know who cyber is.
If i had money on this fight and i know for a fact that you have a guy in 1 corner that can take you out in 1 punch and he has armor to boot, along with descent speed, then you have in the other corner another guy made of flesh and bone but has speed, then you have in the other corner a guy who also has speed, but is flesh and bone, i would go for the guy in armor that could take any kind of punishment and ko you in 1 punch; wouldnt you.
I see cyber clawing deathstroke 1st ( now lets hear all the ds fans say that ds cant be hit because he can teleport or he will sense cyber hitting him before it happened just like he did when he got stabbed in the eye), which wouldnt be hard.
Then i see him doing the same process with spiderman ( now lets hear the spiderman fans say that spiderman has the speed of mercury but in a current issue i read he is getting manhandle by police officers and in another issue i read king pin was squezzing the life out of him, almost made spiderman black out.) taking spiderman out of the fight. Then he gets to think for awhile who's he going to gut 1st.
Originally posted by long pig
Good point, though you didn't mention Slade knocking wolvie across the room with a backhand in the same issue, also, where is he knocked out?
He's off panel, then getting up....not knocked out at all.
long pig he was knocked out for a while because all of the x-men and the titans stepped over him and fought with darkseid ( they didnt step over him, they just didnt see an unconcious foe as a threat.) And he didnt do anything to wolverine but snuck him and blasted him in the back, phoenix took the x-men and the titans down. Also long pig they wasnt fighting in a room it was outside because in that same issue, slade picked colossus up and threw him off the cliff.
He was off panel.
He coulda been K.O'd, but I dunno.
He really didn't pick Colossus up, just ducked and Pet went over.
Are you sure you read it?
I destinctly remember Wolverine getting backhanded.
I'll have to re-read it, it's been years.
Hope I haven't been saying "wolvie got backhanded" this whole time, and just recalled it wrong.
i read it about a week ago and it was showing that wolverine and ds are pretty even. I know its going to make you a little mad, seeing that you have ds on your profile, but he was koed for awhile, then he ended up sneaking wolverine, blasting him in the back. You are right about the colossus deal, he did bend over taking colossus off of the cliff.
Can a spiderman fan please give me a way spiderman could win besides that stupid web in the mouth, that either countender would let happen. Why didnt morlun web morlun in the mouth during that fresh beat down he was getting.
Wow I never said that was the only way, I never even said he'd definitely win . I said it was up for grabs and we were debating the validity of the web in the mouth that was all. It's not stupid and possible, it just seems stupid because it is VERY EFFECTIVE and unique.
I don't know why who did what when where and why! I didn't write the book, I don't know.
As far as ten ton punches moving at that velocity not mattering I don't thing that is quite valid. Even a bullet is light and weak but with a certain velocity it becomes a deadly weapon.
All these guys have many ways to make advantages of their environments and can use a plethora of abilites, and with their talents, make them that much more deadly.
That is my response to your question derrick24. Thank you for any of your replies you may have in the future.
it's possible spidey will get clawed, but not likely. there isnt much spidey can do offensively to cyber, but i and others have proven there are options (webbing down the throat, my dumpster theory).
also, yes, slade has gotten hit in the past. however, because these two have never fought before we can only assume that their powers will be used to their fullest extent (it's also pretty much the only rule i have in this fight anyway. therefore, it is not likely cyber will get a hit on either of them very early in the fight. someone as intimidating as cyber is someone you want to keep your distancce from aswell. the only way cyber gets a claw is if he gets within his arm's reach. and he can be defated from further away.
you all make good points especially u cordera but if they are at there full potential than cyber gets a speed increase since when he fought wolverine for the 1st and wolverine couldnt hardly see cyber moves. Also cyber is half cyborg also, its no telling what other powers he had that we didnt get to witness.
Originally posted by derrick24
i read it about a week ago and it was showing that wolverine and ds are pretty even. I know its going to make you a little mad, seeing that you have ds on your profile, but he was koed for awhile, then he ended up sneaking wolverine, blasting him in the back. You are right about the colossus deal, he did bend over taking colossus off of the cliff.
Ok, I just read it, DS wasn't K.O'd, he was down though...waiting for a better time to get up....notice him slowly reaching for his staff while he's down....K.O'd peeps don't do this.
But you have to consider the fact HE WAS TAKING ON THE ENTIRE X-MEN AT THE SAME TIME.
Kinda makes the point of Wolvie blind siding him with a punch not really mean much when he's fighting 6 other people he knows nothing about.
But at any rate, still a good fight.
Originally posted by long pig
Ok, I just read it, DS wasn't K.O'd, he was down though...waiting for a better time to get up....notice him slowly reaching for his staff while he's down....K.O'd peeps don't do this.But you have to consider the fact HE WAS TAKING ON THE ENTIRE X-MEN AT THE SAME TIME.
Kinda makes the point of Wolvie blind siding him with a punch not really mean much when he's fighting 6 other people he knows nothing about.
But at any rate, still a good fight.
At the time slade and wolverine was going at it, the xmen wasnt involved and wolverine almost took his head off; he could have if he had his claws out. Then deathstroke commented on wolverine speed, talking about how fast he is and if he didnt have fast reflexes than his head would have been gone. The second round, he blast wolverine in the back, leading to cyclops also blasting him.
If wolverine wanted to, he can take slade just like if slade wanted to he could take wolverine but i see it happening in a different way. Wolverine could take slade h2h, since wolverine is classified as the best fighter in marvel. Slade would take wolverine thru long distance, only by using gas, if he depends on his staff, he is dead, but gas would do the trick.
I dont care how many of you people on this site tell me different, i think that wolverine is slade superior. The reason why i say this is because ok slade did a great feat taking on the jla, which only lasted about 2 pages. Wolverine took on every superbeing by himself that was in new york in the wolverine vs new york issue. He also took on the xmen by him self but im not counting this.
On many occasions, wolverine has taken on an entire army by himself, killing every last one of them. In wolverine blood debt part 2 he took on 400 ninjas that hand machine guns and knifes etc... and killed them all. During the weapon x saga the guy killed a thousand hand ninjas by himself, he killed another load of army guy lighting his cigar on one of their heads. I have never seen slade accomplish anything close to that, if you have please give me the name of the book and the # so i could look it up on the internet.
When have slade took on someone in hulk callibor or thing and give them a descent fight. Give me a book # and the issue, so i could look it up. When have ds killed someone in magneto league because wolverine was the reason why magneto was thought to be dead, stuck his claws thru his chest, If ds did give me a book # and name of book. What im going to do is send you something that i read on slade getting killed, and another where hes getting beat down.
I have never seen slade accomplish what wolverine has and i know from what i have seen that wolverine is slade superior. Ill be back im going to bring proof of all of slades beatdowns that i can find for you.