Originally posted by PVS
sexuality and ethnicity are not the same.
bad comparison there.as far as KKK members, a recipient would not know that regardless. also with the "KKK baby" such a racist a product of social engineering, not genetics. so it wouldn't matter anyway.
a lesbian couple seeking a gay man's sperm is ok by me, so long as they are not attempting to control the kid's sexuality. maybe they just like the temperament of a gay man better than a straight man...???
No, the point is that they'd rather have a father they could trust in to be more lenient toward the same-sex marriage. They're not trying to control how the kid turns out, it's more of a emotions thing. Just look at it like this, if you were gay would you like the idea of bringing up the kid of a homophobe? Not because the kid theirself is homophobic, just the father is. So in fact the KKK one is similar - it's not about how the kid turns out, it's about how the biological father would feel toward the mother if they knew who she was.
I think the product one is better, though.
Originally posted by Trickster
Just look at it like this, if you were gay would you like the idea of bringing up the kid of a homophobe? Not because the kid theirself is homophobic, just the father is. So in fact the KKK one is similar - it's not about how the kid turns out, it's about how the biological father would feel toward the mother if they knew who she was.I think the product one is better, though.
yes in fact, i would PREFER in fact. what would be more beautifully poetic than to raise a child of someone intolerant to be tolerant of those different? it would please me to know that he knew and couldnt stand the idea (although hypothetical, since its strictly confidential)
racism and intolerance is not hereditary, so to allow that to influence who's child you would want is not better than a racist or homophobe imo.
Originally posted by PVS
sexuality and ethnicity are not the same.
bad comparison there.as far as KKK members, a recipient would not know that regardless. also with the "KKK baby" such a racist a product of social engineering, not genetics. so it wouldn't matter anyway.
a lesbian couple seeking a gay man's sperm is ok by me, so long as they are not attempting to control the kid's sexuality. maybe they just like the temperament of a gay man better than a straight man...???
I'm aware that sexuality and ethnicity are not the same. Who said I was drawing a comparison between the two? 😕
I asked because I wanted to know if anyone knew the degree to which these donors are "anonymous." Could you imagine thinking you were going to have a white child...only to have a black child 9 months later when you gave birth to him/her?
Though I can see why you went ahead and said "bad comparison." Ethnicity and physical characteristics are inherited...sexuality is not.
Originally posted by Trickster
Really? But say they met in the street (the woman and the donor in an extremely unlikely situation) and the donor yelled abuse at you... Would you then expect the woman to wat the sperm of that donor?
i would expect her to understand that the potential child would be completely independant in thinking and that it really didnt matter. in the unlikely situation where i would have abuse being shouted at me, i would inform the man that i would allow HIS child to make his/her own choices. if they were to fall in love with a black person for example, i would support them and gleefully send pictures to the father of his beautiful newborn half-black grandchild.
but thats me...like i said, i love poetic justice
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I'm aware that sexuality and ethnicity are not the same. Who said I was drawing a comparison between the two? 😕
i was resonding to Trickster's post, not yours. and i dont think he was drawing a direct comparison either. but i argue that there is absolutely no comparison.
Oh sorry...i probably would have caught that, except I stopped reading when I saw the words "Klu Klux Klan" in his post...
Being a member of "the clan" is a personal preference that the individual made at one point during his life. An off-spring, of that person, would have no affiliation, connection, or even desire to join the clan until something in the environment he grew up in introduced him to the world of white bigotry.
I wasn't trying to compare the two as such - more try and provide a grounds on which people could see the point of view of a lesbian mother.
I'm not actually sure how you define ethnicity - I always thought it was the social group one was in. Like ethnic groups, which can include people of different physical characteristics. As opposed to something which you are born into, and stay in for the rest of your life.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Oh sorry...i probably would have caught that, except I stopped reading when I saw the words "Klu Klux Klan" in his post...Being a member of "the clan" is a personal preference that the individual made at one point during his life. An off-spring, of that person, would have no affiliation, connection, or even desire to join the clan until something in the environment he grew up in introduced him to the world of white bigotry.
The point I was making is that homophobes also have that environment. The comparison of ethnicity and sexuality was not actually comparing the two, just the situations.
I can understand why they'd prefer somebody sympathetic to them.